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Old 10th March 2014, 02:40 AM   #1
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Default New cart! Amazing!!!

I have a home brew valve and vinyl only system, so as you could imagine I spend as much time trying to get it to do what it's supposed to do as I spend actually listening. The turntable is a technics 1200 but everything else I mAde. It's always been a bit underwhelming, and I try to aim high.
Well I just upgraded my cart to a denon 103 and some sowter SUT's.
Amazing!! I have ways been very sceptical about million dollar systems, I mean it's a record ! Some are just badly pressed rubbish, and I don't meant the content. But wow!!! It's amazing what a difference it has made!! More than than the speakers or the amp or anything else. Best money I ever spent. I now wonder if ...... Would double my fun?
$500 bucks give or take has made an amazing difference. I can't think of anything else in the path that gave as much bang for buck
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Old 13th March 2014, 04:53 PM   #2
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My first DL-103 in a ZU aluminum body hooked me on LOMC, and prevented me from abandoning vinyl which was imminent about 5yrs ago. My first Ortofon SPU was as big a revelation in it's own way as the DL-103, and now I have three different ones, and the DL-103 is making someone else happy..
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Old 13th March 2014, 07:12 PM   #3
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I purchased the same Cart. from Ebay. At first listen it seamed to lack dynamics and of course it played so low! It wasn't long, maybe 10 hours or so that it began to sound better. 20-30 hrs later and it was just singing! Just saving up $ for matching MM pre-amp now! The DL-103 hasn't replaced my 2M red Cart., but close second! Maybe on a new arm!?
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Old 13th March 2014, 07:36 PM   #4
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Hi,

The DL103 and matching transformer is an aquired taste, some
love it, some are very underwhelmed, for sure its not neutral.

The HOMC DL110 is a better bet for dipping your toes in the
MC water. 83 e-pray delivered from Hong Kong, great price.

rgds, sreten.
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I think it depends very heavily on the transformer used as to what sort of performance you will get. I find any one of my SPU and a pair of LL1941 to resolve better and sound more neutral than my Benz Ebony H. (The Benz new costs about as much as my most expensive SPU plus the transformers. And it is not in the same league, not even close.)

I would recommend investigating Lundahl, Sowter or Jensen for good SUTs. I had the Cinemags and thought they were OK, affordable used to keep the budget down.

I'm going to contradict sreten whose advice is generally rock solid here, based on direct experience. A DL-103 with a decent transformer will IMLE outperform a lot of considerably more expensive HOMC - I don't think a cheap HOMC, even a Denon will be close. Invest a little in decent transformers or a good head amp. (Project?)

Cheap Partridge 977 pairs very nicely with the DL-103, just a gain of 15dB however.
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Old 13th March 2014, 11:58 PM   #6
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Hi,

If your the type that doesn't get on with a DL103, and some don't
severely, then I'll stand by my advice. If you do then nothing else
much will get close other than some other obscure expensive MC.

The DL110 is no DL103. But going for 83 on e-pray I'd stack it
up against the Ortofon Red going for moreorless the same price
any day of the week **. YMMV. The DL110 is great in Rega's,
and suits Technics, and doesn't need a step up device.

Output is not as high as most MM's, but source impedance is
much lower, hence less noise, and you can mod most MM
stages by halving the lower feedback resistor *, usually
about 1K if sensible for MM's, to bump up gain 6dB
and reduce the resistors noise contribution.

Again YMMV. IMO @ 83 its a relative bargain.

Unlike the now defunct DL160 the DL110 is fine with standard
47K loading, the DL160 preferred about 1K according to some.
And of course the capacitive loading is irrelevant, not like MM's.

rgds, sreten.

* Or piggy back the same value in parallel.

** nude tipped elliptical HOMC vs. a bushed tip MM ?
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Old 14th March 2014, 12:04 AM   #7
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Im glad its working good for ya buddy
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Old 14th March 2014, 12:28 AM   #8
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Hi,

I don't use a DL110, I use an Ortofon MC15SmkII.

Back in the day when the DL110 was 70 I used to
recommend it a lot, when it went up to 140+ .....

rgds, sreten.
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Old 14th March 2014, 12:32 AM   #9
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I guess all of this is assuming I would use my existing Pre-pre-amp! Wouldn't the MC FJET kit from Boozehounds work just as well and give one yet another piece of gear. I have not yet explored the SUT route and wondered about cost/performance ratio. With the MC FJET kit would it not equal the sound and match (albeit differ in character) the performance of the 2M red?

To correct my first 'Input' I meant to write MC instead of MM!

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** nude tipped elliptical HOMC vs. a bushed tip MM ?
Parallels my experience, 100% agree. I had a Grado Platinum Reference with bushed tip, and it was probably the least involving cartridge I have ever owned. Ultimately this cartridge was at the center of the comment about abandoning vinyl in my first post to this thread.
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