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Old 14th March 2014, 01:47 AM   #11
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Bushed tip? I don't think I've ever heard that term before.

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Old 14th March 2014, 02:09 AM   #12
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Hi,

All cheaper cartridges have a small diamond mounted in a bush as the tip.
Nude tips mount a diamond directly onto the cantilever.

The Ortofon Red is bushed elliptical. (also the FF15E, OM10, 510)
They are all round shanked / section bushes.
The Ortofon Blue is nude elliptical. (also the VMS20E, OM20, 520)
Nude ellipticals can be square or round shanked.
The Ortofon Bronze is nude FL. (Also the VMS30FL, OM30, 530)
All advanced nude tips are square shanked.

Though square really means oblong / rectangular.

rgds, sreten.

Bushed elliptical tip (unknown make) :

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Ortofon nude square shanked fine line tip :

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What is on my MC15SupermkII.
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Old 14th March 2014, 02:26 AM   #13
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Thanks sreten.

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Old 14th March 2014, 02:37 AM   #14
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Parallels my experience, 100% agree. I had a Grado Platinum Reference with
bushed tip, and it was probably the least involving cartridge I have ever owned.
Ultimately this cartridge was at the center of the comment about abandoning
vinyl in my first post to this thread.
Hi,

Quite frankly I concluded a long time ago Grado are milking
their customer base for all they can get in their model line
up, pricing strategy and what you get for your money.

E.g a Grado gold : $220, new stylus $110.
Basically overcharging you by at least double for the body,
which costs peanuts more than the Black, $60, stylus $30.

And don't get me started on the wooden clad versions of the above.
$350 for a bushed tipped elliptical is a crime, and whoopee you
get a nude elliptical for $600, a nude "real ellipsoid" for $1500
and a "specially for Grado" unspecified nude diamond for $3000.

As for the LOMC-u-like output versions ....

Some people were born yesterday.

rgds, sreten.
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Old 14th March 2014, 03:16 AM   #15
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I've never paid full retail for any cartridge, still the prices are pretty stratospheric for most LOMC. Most will remain beyond my reach for various reasons.

Regarding the Grado I ought to have known better, I've never met a Grado I really liked. (No that's not a typo..)
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Old 14th March 2014, 05:02 AM   #16
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Thanks for the education on styli's sreten... This brings up a question that nagged at me since I purchased my 2M red. Is the red and blue styli interchangeable and is it a significant improvement?
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Old 14th March 2014, 07:58 AM   #17
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Back to my original post, I look at my sound reproduction system and I try to focus on the big things. Good speakers, quite accurate reproduction etc. I would put "nude diamonds" up there with 15pf capacitances in my cables. In the real world that I pretend to inhabit, I don't buy a lot of snake oil. I don't buy expense cables connectors ets. I really thought that perhaps carts are like that. Spend twice as much and maybe notice a very small difference. Well guess what, some stuff does make a difference!!
I have more money invested in this than is decent but I am small potatoes to some people.
My point is that this has been the best money spent on the smallest thing!! If I spent the same percentage of money on new OUtput transformers for my valve amp and got the same result I would fall over amazed. Same goes for any other component I can think off.
Just really good value for money
Now, how do I get to listen to a really high end system to compare? In Batemans bay??
Anyone??
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Old 14th March 2014, 08:05 AM   #18
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I didn't know about bush's and nude diamond etc!!
Incredible!!
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Old 14th March 2014, 08:43 AM   #19
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I'm glad you're enjoying the DL103 and Sowters.

I use the DL103R and have tried both Partridge 977 and Lundahl 9206 SUTs. Both were good, but the Lundahl has far better extension and detail at both ends of the frequency spectrum in my system.

Previously I used the SUTs with the MM input of a Clearaudio Smart Phono, which was much better than no SUTs and the MC input. The SUTs seemed to 'breathe' far better than the MC gain stage of the Clearaudio.

More recently I've built the Boozehound Labs JFET phono with very tightly matched components, including Russian Teflon and PIO caps. I'm still using the Lundahl SUTs and am very happy. Given the high output impedance of the BHL circuit, I added a Nelson Pass B1 buffer on the output (my TVC preamp wouldn't work well with a high output impedance source).

My next upgrade will be to install a very low noise regulated PSU to the BHL + B1. I have the reg here ready to go :-)
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Old 14th March 2014, 01:40 PM   #20
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Cheers to you sharpi31! Your reply better answers my questions, but I do not quite understand the 'Buffer' and what exactly does it do? Is it made to better match impedance? Where in the chain of components is it located, before or after Phono pre?
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