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Old 30th December 2003, 12:43 AM   #1
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Default Advice on turntable and speakers! Any help would be appreciated!!!

I have always been a big music fan, and I have a pretty large collection of cds, but I want to start a record collection. Right now all I have are some beatles, beach boys, and simon & garfunkel albums, but there are tons more that I want to buy. Anyways, I'm looking for a nice record player to play them on. I'm on kind of a tight budget... I don't want to spend anymore than about $300, and I'd like to spend less than that if I could. I need a decent turntable, and then a speaker/amp to hook it up to. That is my biggest question, actually... where can I get a good speaker/speakers/amp to hook up to my turntable, keeping in mind my budget. Thanks guys, I would appreciate any advice you have.
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Old 30th December 2003, 01:56 AM   #2
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Your biggest problem is getting a decent turntable, a turntable
that can compete with a decent CD player is not cheap.
The cartridge can cost more than a budget CD player alone.

Seems to me you need a decent system for your CD's first.
Get a decent second-hand amplifier with a phono input and
a decent pair of second-hand speakers.

IMO your going to need $300 for a decent second-hand turntable.

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Old 30th December 2003, 03:32 AM   #3
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For $300 i'd be looking to find a used TT. Put aside $50 for an entry level Grado and then go shop eBay... some pretty decent TTs can be had fairly cheap. Even some of the old entry-level CEC (Japanese) belt-drives (properly set-up of course) will rival new CD players that cost much more -- it would be a challenge finding one that cost $100 let alone $300. That remains the league of ole Rega IIs, Thorens, tweeked ARs & other late 70s early 80s TTs.

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Well if it's gonna take $300 dollars to get a decent used TT, than I think I'll settle for a not decent one. But I still need to know where I can get some speakers. And do I want two bookshelf speakers, or one big amp? And if my TT has phono preamp, then can I hook it up to any kind of amp, or do I still need phono input?
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Old 30th December 2003, 12:09 PM   #5
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Even some of the old entry-level CEC (Japanese) belt-drives (properly set-up of course) will rival new CD players that cost much more --
Only the bad examples of CD players.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

The basic japanese belt drives usually need a complete rebuild
and some fairly serious modifications to the arms to sound half
decent. Ideally the arms should be replaced.

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But I still need to know where I can get some speakers. And do I want two bookshelf speakers, or one big amp?
You've lost me here......

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And if my TT has phono preamp, then can I hook it up to any kind of amp, or do I still need phono input?
Most turntables do not have a phono pre-amp.

You could do a lot worse than this :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=48649

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Old 30th December 2003, 05:11 PM   #6
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You could do a lot worse than this :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=48649
That is not a good example of a decent sounding TT -- you'd almost have to dig oot a budget garrard or BSR idler wheeler to do a lot worse. A cheap Japanese direct drive linear tracker....

From personal experience i know that this TT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3065202614

will outperform the Technics.

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That is not a good example of a decent sounding TT -- you'd almost have to dig oot a budget garrard or BSR idler wheeler to do a lot worse. A cheap Japanese direct drive linear tracker....

From personal experience i know that this TT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3065202614

will outperform the Technics.

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well we'll have to agree to disagree again.

Without mods the basic belt drives are awful. In stock
configuration the Technics have a surprisingly competent arm
( being a short square section for the TP4 type cartridge)
and a half decent suspension system, the best example being
the SL7, which is a very competent sounding turntable.

Likely cost vs. reasonable performance the Technics is good value.

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A cheap Japanese direct drive linear tracker....
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From personal experience i know that this TT............will outperform the Technics.
Give me a break, personal prejudice rather than personal experience IMO.

Without mods I stand by my opinion, and suggest you ought to
stop trying to foist your own opinions onto others who know
different, you just appear to be pointlessly belligerent to me.

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Old 30th December 2003, 06:16 PM   #8
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My opinions (as opposed to yours) are based on comparisons of 100s of TTs, testing done on an almost daily basis for a period of some 4 years, and less often since then.

The japanese DDs were consistent losers -- the budget belt-drives from the same company -- properly set-up (not one of them has correct arm geometry) -- would outperfom the more expensive DD. Next tier up were the ARs, Connisiours, ERAs, then Thorens, AR with arm transplant, then Regas, Linns, Oracles at the higher end. I have not, unfortuneatly, had a lot of listing time on the wealth of even better TTs that have sprung up since those times.

The cheap japanese linear tracking DDs (like the one shown above), i classify as junk, not even anything worth salvaging -- not even at the $10-20 i often see them go for. I'd rather listen to an SL-20.

For a $300 budget, a quite reasonable TT can be found... for a little more even a new one can be had. A cheap Japanese one can be found for $25-50 (and a $50 one should have a working cartridge).

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You didn't answer the direct question,

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Give me a break, personal prejudice rather than personal experience IMO.
Technics DD linear tracking turntables in particular.

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Opinion based on personal experience.

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