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Bksabath 11th October 2012 10:33 AM

Rega P9 RB 1000 combo any good ?
 
I think I need a better TT than my RPM 4

LP12 same say is cheese
Garard 301 fantastic but... not for me

so is the P9 worth the 2,500 they are asking for?

I am using a Goldring Ellite whit a few different Phono stages (just in case you may ask)

sq225917 12th October 2012 08:12 AM

Nope, but they are good value second hand.

You'd genuinely struggle to beat a Kuzma Stabi/S with a decent psu for anything under 5k. I had an LP12, bought the Kuzma, sold it, bought an SME 10/V and then went back to the Kuzma once I realised what I was missing.

It all depends what sort of sound you like.

Bksabath 12th October 2012 04:16 PM

Tankyou

Even the P9 wuld be enough to get in big trubles.
5 K would mean instant eviction.

But hey nothing wrong with goglin up the Kuzuma

Sme 10 what the point if a bit more get you the 20

So far about P9 I got "no big complaints" and "good pace but unremarcable"

LP12 Ebay got plenty at around 700 but one worries as so many things can be wrong with it

sq225917 13th October 2012 05:22 PM

SME10, the point was 1500 without arm... big step from even a 2nd hand 20.

Essentially the only thing that can be 'wrong' with an LP12 is the springs, too tight an arm wire limiting suspension movement or a dry bearing (highly unlikely). Most LP12 owners, are technical retards with not the first concept of what is actually involved in 'setting up' an LP12. You're a smart guy, you strike me as being able to work out how to level the chassis via three threaded springs and at the same time being able to relieve torsion in the spring once you wound them up/down to suit. It really isn't rocker science.

The LP12 is a nice deck, it has a bit of a hump in the midband due to how it stores energy in the chassis, but they are capable of first rate playback.

The P9 is entirely unremarkable, but in the best way. It is the vinyl equivalent of CD, neutral and straight.

Bksabath 13th October 2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sq225917 (Post 3200203)
SME10, the point was 1500 without arm... big step from even a 2nd hand 20.


The LP12 is a nice deck, it has a bit of a hump in the midband due to how it stores energy in the chassis, but they are capable of first rate playback.

The P9 is entirely unremarkable, but in the best way. It is the vinyl equivalent of CD, neutral and straight.

Tank you
this just show how difficoult it is to pick a TT (or anything)

Dealer reccomending P9 is local Naim (wonder how painful the divorce wit Lin was)
He has 20 years experience servicing LP12 and put me off a purchase of ebay LP12 as "so much can be wrong with it"

On the other hand P9 being unremarcable I take it as it does not add much to sound signature may be just what I am looking for...

well look like I hav to listen to it.

Tanks Again

analog_sa 13th October 2012 06:52 PM

Paying this amount of dough for a Rega seems irresponsible to me. An old TD124 with a decent arm will destroy it in all meaningful ways.

As for the LP12, unless you really enjoy setting up the suspension at least once a month and wondering if it hasn't drifted the rest of the time, better forget it. Sound is pleasant enough but coloured and no dynamics.

Bksabath 13th October 2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by analog_sa (Post 3200295)
Paying this amount of dough for a Rega seems irresponsible to me. An old TD124 with a decent arm will destroy it in all meaningful ways.

Tanks I will gogle up the TD124 decent arm big question?
Rega arms are all over the place and I have been told they are decent
(RB300) the RB 1000 as it is the best that Rega can make shuld be decent enoug I think

sq225917 14th October 2012 12:18 AM

Once set up correctly the suspension on the LP12 will not drift for years. The point is that most times the torque on the springs isn't relieved and that is what slowly sends them out of kilter. It's a trivial task to set one up correctly, Linn and their dealers just shroud it in mystery and myth to keep you loyal.

A decent TD124 will cost you 800 + arm cost. And the two meaningful ways in which it absolutely will not better a P9 are speed stability and self noise (rumble). I've seen FM demodulations of the speed stability for both decks and neither is better than the other by any worthwhile margin. The Rega loses out slightly in higher frequency deviations due to the none linearities of the motor and the Thorens loses out around frequencies related to the idler rotation speed.

Ultimately you need to hear whatever you are considering buying first. Were you interested in the Kuzma option you'd be more than welcome for a listen in Sheffield.

Stefanoo 15th October 2012 04:04 AM

I wouldn't recommend a P9 with its arm.
I listened to it and it's sonic signture is pretty evident: thin, too bright and not so much music.

I would recommend you VPIs or Nottinghams: these are really nice school for TTs!

Also, you would probably need to re-do the cartridge. Goldring Elite is too boomy on the bass with its typical Goldring's sound.
If I am not wrong you a looking for something that doesn't have as much sonic signature.

If you need any adviced on audio equipment let me know and I can nudge you in the right direction.

Bksabath 15th October 2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sq225917 (Post 3200590)
Ultimately you need to hear whatever you are considering buying first. Were you interested in the Kuzma option you'd be more than welcome for a listen in Sheffield.

Tank you this is very kind of you and may take you up on this (my Kid doing uni there so I am up from time to time.)

On one thing you are 100 % right which is listen to it as taste is big player in this.
So I like the Kuzuma looks but can I put up with the silicon damping on the harm and get that right?

And what SHE thinks? maybe it be ok as I got brass looking fire place (that wuld be my exuse for it:D (proof that I am taking you seriously and considering it as one of the contenders)


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