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Old 8th January 2013, 07:29 PM   #941
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Apologies for asking probably stupid quesions but I haven't followed the complete MPP thread. Alfred, you write in the assembly guide "If you want to put the SMD decoupling caps on the bottom side, do that before the heatsink assembly but it doesnt matter much." What does "if you want to" mean - are the SMD caps optional?

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Edit: Nice listening room, Chris.
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Old 8th January 2013, 07:29 PM   #942
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Cool, tell me more about the sound. This should be encouraging for the other builders.
First, iam not the guy fr big words about sound because in my opinion its a very subjectively thing. Secondly, its difficult for me in english because im not a native speaker, but i will try it:

First impression after powering up was a clear, open sound. After a few hours of listening the paradise sounds clean with a phantastic depiction.The phantom sources of the speakers are exactly represented, so there are many details to hear because there is no overlap or blur effects. Soundstage set back slightly with perfect focus in the middle. In this comparison, for example, loses a pass pearl + ono MC pre.

The tuning of the paradise sounds straight, with no accentuation at any frequency range, very balanced. For some guys perhaps hard stuff, i like it.. But this can be tuned with the RIAA caps.

I hear with a Denon DL 103 in a selfmade zebrano wood body, after searching for five years the perfect cartridge class up 1k Euro its my choise.

Until now I heard with a pre with INA 103 at the first stage , an OP for microphone amplifier, the concept is also DC coupled and sounds well.
The future will show whether the Paradise will replace this Pre, currently I think yes.

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Old 8th January 2013, 07:36 PM   #943
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Paradise not even boxed and already going strong thanks for the report, and nice setup, very nice player.
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Old 8th January 2013, 07:43 PM   #944
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Paradise not even boxed and already going strong ,
Its time for cases, from 90db up there are microphonic effects

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and nice setup, very nice player.
thanks!

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Old 8th January 2013, 08:00 PM   #945
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Nice setup and thanks for the flowers !
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Old 8th January 2013, 08:21 PM   #946
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Hi Chris

Nice TT

What cartridge load resistor do you use with the denon dl103 ?
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Old 8th January 2013, 09:22 PM   #948
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First, iam not the guy fr big words about sound because in my opinion its a very subjectively thing. Secondly, its difficult for me in english because im not a native speaker, but i will try it:

First impression after powering up was a clear, open sound. After a few hours of listening the paradise sounds clean with a phantastic depiction.The phantom sources of the speakers are exactly represented, so there are many details to hear because there is no overlap or blur effects. Soundstage set back slightly with perfect focus in the middle. In this comparison, for example, loses a pass pearl + ono MC pre.

The tuning of the paradise sounds straight, with no accentuation at any frequency range, very balanced. For some guys perhaps hard stuff, i like it.. But this can be tuned with the RIAA caps.

I hear with a Denon DL 103 in a selfmade zebrano wood body, after searching for five years the perfect cartridge class up 1k Euro its my choise.

Until now I heard with a pre with INA 103 at the first stage , an OP for microphone amplifier, the concept is also DC coupled and sounds well.
The future will show whether the Paradise will replace this Pre, currently I think yes.

Chris
very nice! this matches many of the betabuilders' impressions of sound (and mine as well). Nice setup!
Still have a DL103 re-tipped, in aluminum body, waiting for its first usage, so after your experience here I will certainly give it a try.....
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Old 8th January 2013, 09:24 PM   #949
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Apologies for asking probably stupid quesions but I haven't followed the complete MPP thread. Alfred, you write in the assembly guide "If you want to put the SMD decoupling caps on the bottom side, do that before the heatsink assembly but it doesnt matter much." What does "if you want to" mean - are the SMD caps optional?

Thanks
Sven

Edit: Nice listening room, Chris.
It doesnt matter much if you put the SMD caps before or after the heatsink, I just find that its a little easier to solder (because the PCB can lie flat - once the heatsink is on there, mounting the caps is a little more complicated). The SMD caps should go on there, quite a few people find that they do not need them but as precautionary measure they should go in, I think.

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Old 8th January 2013, 09:34 PM   #950
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What cartridge load resistor do you use with the denon dl103 ?
Unexpectedly the normal load impedance between 80 - 100 Ohm, used at my other pre, doesnt work. The paradise sounds extremly center weighted.

After some experiments, in my setup 2k works very fine.

@ alfred
DL 103: try also a tracking force of 3 grams, sounds better.

Thank you guys for the flowers.

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