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Old 3rd September 2011, 08:36 PM   #11
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btw.. ogg isnt lossless, thats lossy like mp3, aac, wma, difference is ogg is an open source, free codec that many (including myself) agree is better than the others listed... for lossless you want .flac files
I did not realize that, thank you for the information.. The Original WAV file is also lossless and at the time I was doing my Vinyl, and tapes, I didn't have a way to do anything but record to WAV files, and save those, then later convert them to something else.
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What I did/do... record the entire side of the LP. Apply rubble filters, noise reduction, EQ, peak level, etc. to the entire file. Then edit into individual tracks. This is all relatively a snap to do. Pop and click suppression is a bit more complicated in my experience.
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wavs are good, lossless, and they play on just about any device, i think just about all mp3 players support wav.. flac is lossless as well, but takes up only about 50-75% of the storage space as a wav which is why youll see a lot more flac online than wav
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Old 3rd September 2011, 09:15 PM   #14
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What I did/do... record the entire side of the LP. Apply rubble filters, noise reduction, EQ, peak level, etc. to the entire file. Then edit into individual tracks. This is all relatively a snap to do. Pop and click suppression is a bit more complicated in my experience.
What software do you use for that? I use Audition 3 (only because I've been upgrading since CoolEdit 96). The noise reduction can be pretty impressive when taking a 'noise profile' and applying it to the whole file. For that you'd need at least an 8th of a second with no audio, just the noise. Obviously that's easy from an LP. Somewhere I saw some wow and flutter software but at $4500 I'll pass but I have some material I'd like to try it with.

Rubble filter? (sorry)

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so what about my idea of using liquid silicone to make a negative copy of a disk to use to press against liquid epoxy as it hardens?.. think that would accurately make a 1:1 duplicate of a record?
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Interesting conversation, but I thought I would mention that if you take reasonably good care of your records they will probably outlast you.. I have >50yr old stereo LPs that are still in excellent playing condition (my dad's) and records I purchased as long ago as 40yrs ago that are in equally good condition. Even many of my cheap $1 bargain bin records are mostly in good shape. Now if you want to make high res captures in order to load them on your hifiman portable or your automotive audio server I'm all for that!

I also have very good playback hardware now (see my td-124 thread) so I have zero interest in digitizing vinyl. I enjoy the ritual, and the only other sources I have that compete are a heavily modified Sony SCD-777ES SACD player and high res files played through my diy dac, and I still marginally prefer the vinyl..
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kevinkr, thats why one of my questions was how to make a perfect 1:1 copy of a vinyl disc for the purpose of playing over, and over again (i can listen to a record 100 times in a couple years) or even more.. if i had the records at home i wouldnt listen to anything but the records at home since i like them more... my fear is maybe theyll stop manufacturing the vinyls of the artists i listen to, and then im stuck with nothing if the original wears out
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kevinkr, thats why one of my questions was how to make a perfect 1:1 copy of a vinyl disc for the purpose of playing over, and over again (i can listen to a record 100 times in a couple years) or even more.. if i had the records at home i wouldnt listen to anything but the records at home since i like them more... my fear is maybe theyll stop manufacturing the vinyls of the artists i listen to, and then im stuck with nothing if the original wears out
Purchase an extra of anything you are really crazy about, noting that my favorite records all get played constantly and probably net out at >100 plays per year, some of those records are more than 30 yrs old, and are still fine. I wouldn't worry about it, just take good care of the records you purchase and they will last a life time even if you play them all the time. I have many that have been played at least 1K times over the decades I have owned them. My second latest acquisition is a couple of months old and I am sure I have played at least 50 times already.. (Literally once or twice every single day since I got it in early July)

Spend the money you would spend figuring out how to "back up" vinyl on a really good TT, arm and cartridge instead. Much better investment IMHO..
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well... i guess ill buy the records, plug my record player into my computer and make a very, very high quality 96k herz 24 bit stereo lossless audio file of each album... then if my record ever goes bad i can use that audio source and convert it to analog with a DAC to cut a new one myself if i have to... does this sound suitable? and will the quality of that audio file converted to analog to cut a new record sound as good as the origional record?

im probably going to buy the audio technical AT-LP60 record player for now, supposed to be the best quality under $300... and then save up for a high end system later on.. the jensen JTA-220 looks suitable for a $50 system and i could probably upgrade it myself with some DIY
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well... i guess ill buy the records, plug my record player into my computer and make a very, very high quality 96k herz 24 bit stereo lossless audio file of each album... then if my record ever goes bad i can use that audio source and convert it to analog with a DAC to cut a new one myself if i have to... does this sound suitable? and will the quality of that audio file converted to analog to cut a new record sound as good as the origional record?

im probably going to buy the audio technical AT-LP60 record player for now, supposed to be the best quality under $300... and then save up for a high end system later on
I would look at a good vintage Thorens, Lenco, Linn, Rega or one of the various permutations of the AR-XA, XB or later. A modern $300 player is not going to be very good.. A lenco/Bogen B65 with a little work will make a fine player.. Some of these tables will be available for your budget, others won't. More diy propositions include re-plinthing old Rek-O-Kut drives.. Some of these will need arms as well - usually there are couple of cheap but acceptable arms on eBay at any given time. Rega RB250 and 251 arms are reasonable/tweakable choices for a few hundred dollars.

Cutting your own vinyl with commercial quality would require spectacularly expensive hardware.. A fully refurbished record lathe probably runs south of $100K these days, and the cutter amplifiers are not cheap either.

Two places you should check out are Lenco Heaven here: http://www.lencoheaven.net/ And Vinyl Engine here: Vinyl Engine | The Home of the Turntable

These are the best places to learn about how to play vinyl well, particularly if you have a limited budget to start. I'm happy to provide pointers as I basically live for vinyl in a hobby sense..
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