Technics SL-5210 runs too fast. Search fro Service manual and help

Calvin · 28th April 2011, 08:58 AM

Hi,

I´m in need for a servive manual for the Technics SL5210. This was one of the first models of Technics with quartz controlled drive.
My model runs much quicker -and the same to high speed on both 33 and 45. Switching quartz-control off there´s no reaction to the pitch.
It also seems that the series pass transistor that regulates the supply voltage gets too hot.

The chipset consists of the AN640G (IC101, Drive), AN660 (IC202, Control), DN860 (IC203, frequency Divider) and the µPC4558C (IC201, FG-amp).
The PCB is named SFDP-520-31(a)

The Technics SP-15, of which I got the service-manual, uses also this Chipset, but differs in details like speed-switching and oscillator-circuit.

Can anybody supply me with the SL-5210/5200- Series service manual?
Or does someone at once know what the Problem could be?

thanks
Calvin

zeonrider · 28th April 2011, 09:24 AM

Try to compare with :

Technics SL-Q303 Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download | Vinyl Engine

Technics SL-Q33 Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download | Vinyl Engine

Technics SL-QD33 Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download | Vinyl Engine

Regards zeoN_Rider

Calvin · 28th April 2011, 11:25 AM

Hi,

thanks, I know Vinylengine, and have downloaded some manuals from them, but the 3 models You quoted feature differnet chipsets.
The SLQ-303 is just a 2-phase motor-system with a different Chipset, the SL-Q33 features a different Chipset and for the SL-DQ33 they have no service manual.

jauu
Calvin

zeonrider · 28th April 2011, 12:01 PM

Look for trim-pots for fine adj of speeds ( inside)!

Or send to mi I'll adj.

Regards zeoN_Rider

Calvin · 28th April 2011, 12:44 PM

Hi,

I´ve seen that the SP10MKiii and the SL1400-1600MKii-series feature basically the same Chipset. I´ll see which Info I can get out of those manuals. But still appreciated if someone had the SL5300/5310 service manual.

jauu
Calvin

Calvin · 30th April 2011, 07:17 AM

Hi,

did some measurements yesterday. Found, that the FG connection points on the PCB just have a DC-potential. Shouldn´t there be a turns-related signal (some pulses per revolution of the platter)? I assume that the control circuit doesn´t get the ´feedback´ from the rpm-sensor so that it puts out too high rpm-steering signal to the motor.
Any suggestions?

jauu
Calvin

Calvin · 3rd May 2011, 06:32 AM

Hi,

found out, that the FG-Generator indeed didn´t work, even though when measured it showed some 5Ohms resistance. The FG-generator is just printed on circuit board in meandering pattern. Its located on the aluminum ring of the motor circumference, that is covered by a white plastic ring.
Its signal is generated by induction of the rotating magnet fixed to the platter. So its a passive system not requiring any external power source.
As such turning the platter must generate some form of signal. Closer inspection revealed a barely visible crack in at least one of the soldering points on the PCB. Resoldering fixed the prob and the coil now measures around 2Ohms resistance. It now provides the necessary pulsed speed signal again and the TT turns with its nominal speed again.

Still though I´d appreciate if anybody could supply me with a manual, because the manuals that I used (Sl1300ii-17ii, SP15 and SP10ii) are similar but not equal and I liked to do some tweaking with the regulating loop of the control circuit.

jauu
Calvin

phonomac · 18th September 2011, 09:13 AM

Hello there,
Found your post while searching on SP-15.

VinylEngine has the service manual for the SL-5300 which is the fully automatic version of your semi-auto SL-5210. The motor control circuits use the same chipset as yours.

Regards

Angus

Calvin · 19th September 2011, 06:17 AM

Hi,

dicovered the link also and already downloaded it. Fortunately the original prob solved quickly and easily (it was a tiny, bearly visible crack of one of the FG-generator coil contacts. So tiny, that some ohms resistance were still measureable).
Thanks for Your help anway. I can now take a closer look at the different signals of the loop to tweak or optimize the motor run.

jauu
Calvin

melleby · 11th January 2012, 11:52 PM

This fix worked for my SL-5200. Thanks a ton!! It was spinning incredibly fast, then shutting down, and starting again. I checked the part Calvin described and noticed the cracks in the solder. After the problem was corrected - perfect timing. Thanks for the tip and the accurate descriptions.

28th April 2011, 08:58 AM	#1
Calvin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: close to Basel	Technics SL-5210 runs too fast. Search fro Service manual and help Hi, I´m in need for a servive manual for the Technics SL5210. This was one of the first models of Technics with quartz controlled drive. My model runs much quicker -and the same to high speed on both 33 and 45. Switching quartz-control off there´s no reaction to the pitch. It also seems that the series pass transistor that regulates the supply voltage gets too hot. The chipset consists of the AN640G (IC101, Drive), AN660 (IC202, Control), DN860 (IC203, frequency Divider) and the µPC4558C (IC201, FG-amp). The PCB is named SFDP-520-31(a) The Technics SP-15, of which I got the service-manual, uses also this Chipset, but differs in details like speed-switching and oscillator-circuit. Can anybody supply me with the SL-5210/5200- Series service manual? Or does someone at once know what the Problem could be? thanks Calvin

18th September 2011, 09:13 AM	#8
phonomac diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2011	SL 5210 service manual Hello there, Found your post while searching on SP-15. VinylEngine has the service manual for the SL-5300 which is the fully automatic version of your semi-auto SL-5210. The motor control circuits use the same chipset as yours. Regards Angus

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zeonrider diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Belgrade RS	Try to compare with : Technics SL-Q303 Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download \| Vinyl Engine Technics SL-Q33 Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download \| Vinyl Engine Technics SL-QD33 Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download \| Vinyl Engine Regards zeoN_Rider

28th April 2011, 11:25 AM	#3
Calvin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: close to Basel	Hi, thanks, I know Vinylengine, and have downloaded some manuals from them, but the 3 models You quoted feature differnet chipsets. The SLQ-303 is just a 2-phase motor-system with a different Chipset, the SL-Q33 features a different Chipset and for the SL-DQ33 they have no service manual. jauu Calvin

28th April 2011, 12:01 PM	#4
zeonrider diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Belgrade RS	Look for trim-pots for fine adj of speeds ( inside)! Or send to mi I'll adj. Regards zeoN_Rider

28th April 2011, 12:44 PM	#5
Calvin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: close to Basel	Hi, I´ve seen that the SP10MKiii and the SL1400-1600MKii-series feature basically the same Chipset. I´ll see which Info I can get out of those manuals. But still appreciated if someone had the SL5300/5310 service manual. jauu Calvin

30th April 2011, 07:17 AM	#6
Calvin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: close to Basel	Hi, did some measurements yesterday. Found, that the FG connection points on the PCB just have a DC-potential. Shouldn´t there be a turns-related signal (some pulses per revolution of the platter)? I assume that the control circuit doesn´t get the ´feedback´ from the rpm-sensor so that it puts out too high rpm-steering signal to the motor. Any suggestions? jauu Calvin

3rd May 2011, 06:32 AM	#7
Calvin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: close to Basel	Hi, found out, that the FG-Generator indeed didn´t work, even though when measured it showed some 5Ohms resistance. The FG-generator is just printed on circuit board in meandering pattern. Its located on the aluminum ring of the motor circumference, that is covered by a white plastic ring. Its signal is generated by induction of the rotating magnet fixed to the platter. So its a passive system not requiring any external power source. As such turning the platter must generate some form of signal. Closer inspection revealed a barely visible crack in at least one of the soldering points on the PCB. Resoldering fixed the prob and the coil now measures around 2Ohms resistance. It now provides the necessary pulsed speed signal again and the TT turns with its nominal speed again. Still though I´d appreciate if anybody could supply me with a manual, because the manuals that I used (Sl1300ii-17ii, SP15 and SP10ii) are similar but not equal and I liked to do some tweaking with the regulating loop of the control circuit. jauu Calvin

19th September 2011, 06:17 AM	#9
Calvin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: close to Basel	Hi, dicovered the link also and already downloaded it. Fortunately the original prob solved quickly and easily (it was a tiny, bearly visible crack of one of the FG-generator coil contacts. So tiny, that some ohms resistance were still measureable). Thanks for Your help anway. I can now take a closer look at the different signals of the loop to tweak or optimize the motor run. jauu Calvin

11th January 2012, 11:52 PM	#10
melleby diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2012	This fix worked for my SL-5200. Thanks a ton!! It was spinning incredibly fast, then shutting down, and starting again. I checked the part Calvin described and noticed the cracks in the solder. After the problem was corrected - perfect timing. Thanks for the tip and the accurate descriptions.

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