DIN Connectors

bulgin · 12th December 2010, 11:16 AM

Hi Gents

I have just finished restoring and cleaning this Grundig RT 40 tuner. I also have its matching SV 80 integrated s/s amplifier which I'm still busy working on. Both the tuner and the amp has din connecting sockets and I will have to make up din-ended cables for them.

In the meantime, I want to use the tuner with my Sansui AU 317 11 integrated which has RCA jacks.

So yesterday, I made up a DIN to RCA cable, using ordinary interconnect cable (Left/white and earth return and Right/red and earth return) and connected the male DIN connector at the other end as per the enclosed drawing.

Can you please let me know if the way I soldered the cable is correct? The two (left and right) earth returns are twisted together and soldered to DIN pin 2 and at the other end, the rca phono plugs are soldred in the usual way.

I'm asking as I have no sound at the right speaker.

Thanks

bulgin

gpapag · 12th December 2010, 04:55 PM

Dear bulgin

The way you connected the wires is the standard way to do it.
However on some devices the output is 1:+R, 3:+L and of course 2: common return.
You can have a look here:
Electronics 2000 | Pin-outs | DIN Connectors

Best Regards
George

bulgin · 13th December 2010, 12:11 AM

Hi George

Thanks a lot!

Regards

bulgin

gpapag · 13th December 2010, 12:31 AM

My pleasure bulgin!

If you need any help on this or other 1950-1970 era tuners (schematics, questions ect), let me know.

Regards
George

bulgin · 13th December 2010, 09:45 AM

Hi George

Your kind offer is much appreciated

I may well need all help I can get.

I bought the Grundig tuner RT 40 about a week ago, together with its matching integrated amplifier and both items were in an unbelievably sorry and dusty state. I usually will not purchase equipment in such a neglected state but I liked the tuner's 60's looks and would like to alternate the Grundig with my Leak Troughline 11 as it has more facilities.

After cleaning off the worst of the muck, I ran both the tuner and the integrated through a 100W lightbulb for about a day before starting to do some work.

The tuner needed a new power cord, dial cords were missing or broken and this has now been repaired, all illumination was dead and this was fixed with new lamps and all din sockets had been cleaned, together with all the externals such as the case and faceplate.

I at first suspected the SV 80 amplifier to be faulty but yesterday - when I had the SV 80 amplifier in a state I could test it, I could confirm for myself that the Grundig tuner has one channel not working. There are no hums at the non-functioning channel - just silence and this was why I enquired if I had the DIN connector wired correctly.

I will remove the tuner again from its case today and have another, more careful look to see if I can spot the obvious and if you can perhaps give me some ideas where to start looking for a channel non-functioning problem, I would appreciate your advice a lot.

Regards

tripod

gpapag · 18th December 2010, 12:51 PM

Hi bulgin

Sorry for the delay in my reply.
I came back home today and I found the schematics of this tuner. Source is the excellent
Antique Radios, 120 000 Antique Radios on display

You may have a look at the output circuit.
As it is shown, the out pins are 3,5,2 of the lefthand DIN socket.
What you will notice are the two moving contacts grounding the output signal. I have the impression that they are part of the DIN socket.

May be you have to take a look at this point

Regards
George

bulgin · 20th December 2010, 12:59 AM

Hi George

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate the time you spent in fishing out these circuits.

I will have another go at the problem in a day or two and report back here.

Best regards, Merry Christmas, Good Health and a fabulous 2011 to you.

bulgin

gpapag · 20th December 2010, 11:30 AM

Dear bulgin

My Best Wishes to You too

Regards
George

berpi85 · 22nd December 2010, 11:46 AM

Hello bulgin
I propose you to go to this address :

http://www.stef.free.fr/hifi/Docs/Gr...o40M.RT40M.pdf

It is a very complete documentation (use, diagrams, etc)
It is written in French, but I think that it will help you.

Regards. Sorry for my poor english !

Merry Christmas. Joyeux Noël.
Pierre.

ebxb · 22nd December 2010, 12:20 PM

I like RCA connectors better since it is easier to compare cables and no need to spend extra $$$ to buy Din type cables. I absolutely hate it.

20th December 2010, 11:30 AM	#8
gpapag diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Athens-Greece	Dear bulgin My Best Wishes to You too Regards George __________________ "Second Law is a bitch." - SY

22nd December 2010, 12:20 PM	#10
ebxb diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada	DIN Connectors. I hate it. I like RCA connectors better since it is easier to compare cables and no need to spend extra $$$ to buy Din type cables. I absolutely hate it.

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12th December 2010, 04:55 PM	#2
gpapag diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Athens-Greece	Dear bulgin The way you connected the wires is the standard way to do it. However on some devices the output is 1:+R, 3:+L and of course 2: common return. You can have a look here: Electronics 2000 \| Pin-outs \| DIN Connectors Best Regards George

13th December 2010, 12:11 AM	#3
bulgin diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2006	Hi George Thanks a lot! Regards bulgin

13th December 2010, 12:31 AM	#4
gpapag diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Athens-Greece	My pleasure bulgin! If you need any help on this or other 1950-1970 era tuners (schematics, questions ect), let me know. Regards George

13th December 2010, 09:45 AM	#5
bulgin diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2006	Hi George Your kind offer is much appreciated I may well need all help I can get. I bought the Grundig tuner RT 40 about a week ago, together with its matching integrated amplifier and both items were in an unbelievably sorry and dusty state. I usually will not purchase equipment in such a neglected state but I liked the tuner's 60's looks and would like to alternate the Grundig with my Leak Troughline 11 as it has more facilities. After cleaning off the worst of the muck, I ran both the tuner and the integrated through a 100W lightbulb for about a day before starting to do some work. The tuner needed a new power cord, dial cords were missing or broken and this has now been repaired, all illumination was dead and this was fixed with new lamps and all din sockets had been cleaned, together with all the externals such as the case and faceplate. I at first suspected the SV 80 amplifier to be faulty but yesterday - when I had the SV 80 amplifier in a state I could test it, I could confirm for myself that the Grundig tuner has one channel not working. There are no hums at the non-functioning channel - just silence and this was why I enquired if I had the DIN connector wired correctly. I will remove the tuner again from its case today and have another, more careful look to see if I can spot the obvious and if you can perhaps give me some ideas where to start looking for a channel non-functioning problem, I would appreciate your advice a lot. Regards tripod

20th December 2010, 12:59 AM	#7
bulgin diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2006	Hi George Thanks a lot. I really appreciate the time you spent in fishing out these circuits. I will have another go at the problem in a day or two and report back here. Best regards, Merry Christmas, Good Health and a fabulous 2011 to you. bulgin

22nd December 2010, 11:46 AM	#9
berpi85 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: France	Hello bulgin I propose you to go to this address : http://www.stef.free.fr/hifi/Docs/Gr...o40M.RT40M.pdf It is a very complete documentation (use, diagrams, etc) It is written in French, but I think that it will help you. Regards. Sorry for my poor english ! Merry Christmas. Joyeux Noël. Pierre.

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