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Old 28th November 2010, 01:04 PM   #1
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Hi all,

After reading many logs of people their DIY TT projects, I thought its time to start my own.

The bearing is already in the concept stage and I have a drawing of that to.

The only thing I'm struggling with is what sort of motor AC / DC and what sort of controller.

The platter will weigh 16 kilo or 35,2 lbs.

I have made some 3D drawing in Google SK :

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And the bearing :

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Comments, suggestions all are welcome.
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Old 28th November 2010, 06:17 PM   #2
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Good luck!
I'll be watching, as I am at about the same place as you in making a TT.
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Old 29th November 2010, 01:17 PM   #3
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Are their any people who can help with the motor problem.

Which is the way to go AC or DC

an what are possible ways of controlling the motor ?
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Old 29th November 2010, 01:51 PM   #4
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I think the most simple option is to take the motor and controller from some other turntable.
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Old 29th November 2010, 02:10 PM   #5
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Are their any people who can help with the motor problem.

Which is the way to go AC or DC

an what are possible ways of controlling the motor ?

One method used by amateur astronomers (on their telescope mounts) is to use a synchronous motor controlled by a homemade controller which alters the Hz to correct for tracking errors (when doing astrophotography).

You can find these circuits in back issues of magazines like Sky & Telescope

Just an idea
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Old 29th November 2010, 03:59 PM   #6
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Good evening Matthias,

we already had some conversation in Dutch....which is not understandable for all users...so i'll repeat it in short.

I have a serious oversized turntable platter (diameter 50 cm !; 17 kg) and had the same problem as you: the motor.

There are 2 options for this:
- or using a larger motor which is "dominant" over the turntable platter. Logical options are the motors from reel-to-reel tapedecks. Pabst made some really really nice stable motors. These motors have serious torque; they will control the turntable platter with ease. The challenge for this solution is the motor-control. For this you must make a quite complex engine-control.
- or using a quite light motor. Now the turntable platter is "dominant". The motor can be equiped with a rather simple PLL-control and if it runs.....the platter itself is in the lead.

For my TT-platter i opted for the second solution: the light motor. Of course this still has to be a nice stable motor and there are options enough: maxxon, airpax, pabst, premotec ....but i found a funny motor in the former DDR. This is used for tapedecks. It is less then a Watt but it can bring the platter up to speed. This takes time so i help a little...... But when it runs...it runs smoothly/quitly and shockingly stable.

May i suggest to read: krishu.de PLL-Antrieb

My biggest challenge was the building of my own tonearm. A 50 cm platter is fantastic stable (the weigth distribution is far better than a thicker/smaller platter of the same weigth)....but there are very few commercial tonearms available. So i build my own 17.5" arm; and it works like a charm. In the meantime i found ways to improve ths; so i got my Christmas-project already planned.

Back to the motor. Adding a flywheel is totally different. Now you must skip the options for a ligth motor. This will never get a flywheel up to speed which is connected/attached to the platter itself. This means that your stuck to a strong/high torque motor. So you need some serious engine control. If you have the knowledge to do that...fantastic. Remember that making a flywheel contraption is evectively making 2 turntables connected. My suggestion: start with the turntable/motor. If you're not content with the speed stability you can always ad a flywheel later. Again a serious cost driver as the flywheel is the energy reservoir for the turntable platter. So if your platter weighs in at 16 kgs.....

My 17 kgs platter is stable. I have a funny stroboscope and it does 33 1/3 EXACTLY and CONTINIOUSLY. Adding the turntable weigth, stroboscope, vinyl, cartridge.....is simply ignored.....the pll circuit in the small motor simply gives some more and the stroboscope indicates a stable 33 1/3 rpm.

Succes with the building effort. It took me some time and i can only say: well worth the effort !

Greetings from the netherlands,
Reinout
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Old 29th November 2010, 04:19 PM   #7
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Good evening Matthias,

we already had some conversation in Dutch....which is not understandable for all users...so i'll repeat it in short.

I have a serious oversized turntable platter (diameter 50 cm !; 17 kg) and had the same problem as you: the motor.

There are 2 options for this:
- or using a larger motor which is "dominant" over the turntable platter. Logical options are the motors from reel-to-reel tapedecks. Pabst made some really really nice stable motors. These motors have serious torque; they will control the turntable platter with ease. The challenge for this solution is the motor-control. For this you must make a quite complex engine-control.
- or using a quite light motor. Now the turntable platter is "dominant". The motor can be equiped with a rather simple PLL-control and if it runs.....the platter itself is in the lead.

For my TT-platter i opted for the second solution: the light motor. Of course this still has to be a nice stable motor and there are options enough: maxxon, airpax, pabst, premotec ....but i found a funny motor in the former DDR. This is used for tapedecks. It is less then a Watt but it can bring the platter up to speed. This takes time so i help a little...... But when it runs...it runs smoothly/quitly and shockingly stable.

May i suggest to read: krishu.de PLL-Antrieb

My biggest challenge was the building of my own tonearm. A 50 cm platter is fantastic stable (the weigth distribution is far better than a thicker/smaller platter of the same weigth)....but there are very few commercial tonearms available. So i build my own 17.5" arm; and it works like a charm. In the meantime i found ways to improve ths; so i got my Christmas-project already planned.

Back to the motor. Adding a flywheel is totally different. Now you must skip the options for a ligth motor. This will never get a flywheel up to speed which is connected/attached to the platter itself. This means that your stuck to a strong/high torque motor. So you need some serious engine control. If you have the knowledge to do that...fantastic. Remember that making a flywheel contraption is evectively making 2 turntables connected. My suggestion: start with the turntable/motor. If you're not content with the speed stability you can always ad a flywheel later. Again a serious cost driver as the flywheel is the energy reservoir for the turntable platter. So if your platter weighs in at 16 kgs.....

My 17 kgs platter is stable. I have a funny stroboscope and it does 33 1/3 EXACTLY and CONTINIOUSLY. Adding the turntable weigth, stroboscope, vinyl, cartridge.....is simply ignored.....the pll circuit in the small motor simply gives some more and the stroboscope indicates a stable 33 1/3 rpm.

Succes with the building effort. It took me some time and i can only say: well worth the effort !

Greetings from the netherlands,
Reinout
(added some pictures of my contraption. Remember....it is a LP you see...not a small single)
Hi Reinout,

Thank you very much for your advice .

I will go with your way without the flywheel it does sound the best option.

I will see how that works out and maybe some time later I make a second motor assembly.

PS : Is that a record clamp with LED ?

Matthias
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Old 29th November 2010, 04:44 PM   #8
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has your bearing got an oil reservoir?
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Old 29th November 2010, 05:10 PM   #9
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has your bearing got an oil reservoir?
Yes, but the drawing is not the final design I am working on a new version.
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Old 29th November 2010, 06:45 PM   #10
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My latest version of the bearing with a Delrin plate inside, also adjusted the size of the ceramic ball.

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