It started out as MkI as proof of concept.
it did work reliably but did not sound too brilliant - not surprising really.
Then I got a Terminator home and was using it and thought - naaa I could make one of those.
Here's my Terminator copy. Spent some time making this out of the right materials and it sounded as good as a borrowed Terminator arm I tried.
Here it is early on with a headshell made out of a door bolt
Then some more work on a headshell from billet aluminium
I even put it on my PL-71 - sounded good but looks kind of wrong IMO
It was a fun project but I use the PL-71 arm and mat on a modded Technics SL-1210 deck as my normal use set-up. I just love that arm and that decks locked on precision...
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it did work reliably but did not sound too brilliant - not surprising really.
Then I got a Terminator home and was using it and thought - naaa I could make one of those.
Here's my Terminator copy. Spent some time making this out of the right materials and it sounded as good as a borrowed Terminator arm I tried.
Here it is early on with a headshell made out of a door bolt
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Then some more work on a headshell from billet aluminium
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
I even put it on my PL-71 - sounded good but looks kind of wrong IMO
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
It was a fun project but I use the PL-71 arm and mat on a modded Technics SL-1210 deck as my normal use set-up. I just love that arm and that decks locked on precision...
The hiss is pretty quiet. I had more problems with the fish tank air pump.
Even in the cupboard under the stairs (adjacent to the lounge) it disturbed me.
I build a 18mm thick MDF box with foam and carpet tile lining and 5 6mm drill holes for air in - that shut it up completely.
it does work well - easy to see where you are in a record from the chair too!
The headshell is pretty small really.
The Terminator shell has two large screw in brass grubs to allow massing up for lower compliance carts and an extra counter weight.
I only used my arm on the AT 33 PTG which is med to high compliance and it worked fine. With the SPU Royal N I now have I would need to mass up both the headshell and counter weight and the carriage. As you can see from some of the pics I have an extra bit of ali angle on top - that improved the bass.
Something to play around with to get right.
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Air hiss
"...slightest hiss would drive me nuts"
Audible pump noise and air hiss is the only one part of the problem (more or less manageable). Do a simple test with your air tracker:
1. Lower the cart on static (non-rotating) record,
2. Turn the pump off.
3. Crank your pre-amp all the way up (let's ignore electronic hum and buzz).
4. Swith on the pump.
What do you hear?
The air flow couples considerable noise source straight to the arm slider, degrading weak signal, even if the hiss itself is non-audible.
This is one of the major drawbacks of Ladegaard design.
"...slightest hiss would drive me nuts"
Audible pump noise and air hiss is the only one part of the problem (more or less manageable). Do a simple test with your air tracker:
1. Lower the cart on static (non-rotating) record,
2. Turn the pump off.
3. Crank your pre-amp all the way up (let's ignore electronic hum and buzz).
4. Swith on the pump.
What do you hear?
The air flow couples considerable noise source straight to the arm slider, degrading weak signal, even if the hiss itself is non-audible.
This is one of the major drawbacks of Ladegaard design.
Hi Speedsteve7,
That is a very nice Terminator style tonearm.
Can you post some pics from your air supply?
I have Build myself a Terminator style arm bud i still have trouble make the air supply quiet.
Now it is in a room next to my listening room.
Here you can see mine creation http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/147617-newbie-diy-tonearm-question.html#post1882753
Regards George
That is a very nice Terminator style tonearm.
Can you post some pics from your air supply?
I have Build myself a Terminator style arm bud i still have trouble make the air supply quiet.
Now it is in a room next to my listening room.
Here you can see mine creation http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/147617-newbie-diy-tonearm-question.html#post1882753
Regards George
Hi,
Been away a few days - These are pics taken from the cupboard under the stairs. I forgot I even put the box on Foculpod feet but an felt or wadding would do.
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The box is jsut 18mm MDF lined with 10 or 15mm sheet foam and then that is lined with carpet tiles cut to fit (carpet side facing inwards).
The pump is here
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How poeple with fish tanks would put up with something like this in their living room (or any other room) is beyond me - says Quiet operation on the box - yeah right!
Anyway the box completely shuts it up - you strain to here it in the confined space of the cupboard - no way it would disturb the music or between tracks if I mounted it behind the hifi.
Forgot to say George; that is a very nicely made arm. I'd have to do some polishing to catch up there.
Mine is made of B&Q (hardware store) building brackets - no nice solid riser like yours.
You have mounted it very far forward. On my SL-1210 I have a Rega arm board adapter. On the Pioneer it is farther forward and sounds better for it.
The shorter the wand the better I think.
I used a carbon fibre Kite spar/rod for the wand.
I have not considered putting the SPU Royal N on my air arm yet - would need to mass up the headshell and the counterweight too (easy enough). The carriage - just add ali angle strips till it sounds best. I would make another arm board (trust 1/2" ply) I think to get the wand shorter too.
Have days spare now - might try it all and see how it sounds.
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Hi Speedysteve7,
Thanks for the pic's.
I think i would make a box to.
The noise in the room were the pump is located is now is not pleasant.
I use a carbon fiber wand also bud the head shell comes from an old AKAI turntable.
If you are making a new wand you may try this to.
Because of the weight from the tonearm wires the pressure on the tip of the needle was not stable.
I did solve that by drilling a hole behind the hinge.
Regards George
Thanks for the pic's.
I think i would make a box to.
The noise in the room were the pump is located is now is not pleasant.
I use a carbon fiber wand also bud the head shell comes from an old AKAI turntable.
If you are making a new wand you may try this to.
Because of the weight from the tonearm wires the pressure on the tip of the needle was not stable.
I did solve that by drilling a hole behind the hinge.
Regards George
Good point about the headshell mass George.
Newer Terminators have 3 SS grub screws to pop in to mass it up for lower compliance carts.
On the trad arm I needed to go from ~8g Technics headshell on the AT 33 PTG to 14g (Sumiko + 3g) for the Spu with suitable extra counter weight.
That gives me some reference point I guess. I could make the SPU Royal N spacer (need for using trad non SPU headshells) out of Brass - ah hold on I have some gunmetal in the workshop from help a chap out cutting a gunmetal armboard for his SP-10 - that would be perfect. If that is too much I could always make some gunmetal grubs ala Terminator.
Not had any pressure probs. The pump is pretty hearty. I use a 5l smoothing tank (petrol can) - the silencer idea is interesting. Can't say the very slick hiss annoys me though.
Newer Terminators have 3 SS grub screws to pop in to mass it up for lower compliance carts.
On the trad arm I needed to go from ~8g Technics headshell on the AT 33 PTG to 14g (Sumiko + 3g) for the Spu with suitable extra counter weight.
That gives me some reference point I guess. I could make the SPU Royal N spacer (need for using trad non SPU headshells) out of Brass - ah hold on I have some gunmetal in the workshop from help a chap out cutting a gunmetal armboard for his SP-10 - that would be perfect. If that is too much I could always make some gunmetal grubs ala Terminator.
Not had any pressure probs. The pump is pretty hearty. I use a 5l smoothing tank (petrol can) - the silencer idea is interesting. Can't say the very slick hiss annoys me though.
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