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They do nothing. They are a hangover from a previous incarnation of the circuit and they were just never removed from the schematic as the circuit was improved. (I think one of the team secretly had shares in 2sk170s ;-)

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I see these are not populated in your board.... did you need to adjust other components ? Is there a new schematic ?
 
"Paradise" and similar attempts to build phono amps.

In the end, after many years, somebody should probably put together all the essential
information necessary to build one of the different incarnations of "this" phono stage in
order to prevent people from reading hundreds or thousands of related forum posts in
various threads over and over again - preferably in a SINGLE post.
 
In the end, after many years, somebody should probably put together all the essential
information necessary to build one of the different incarnations of "this" phono stage in
order to prevent people from reading hundreds or thousands of related forum posts in
various threads over and over again - preferably in a SINGLE post.

I have read a bucnh of stuff in this topic, mostly sent to me by others. I never even knew it was about a phono preamp till just now.
 

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O.k. I have 50 more (up to post#1423).

The JFets (Q97 and Q98), resistors (R10 and R11) and Zeners (D1 and D2) can be removed (please correct me if I am wrong :)), the current in the mirrors is about 35mA the current in the zenered-current-sources is about 400uA and of no consequence to the loaded resistors (R27 and R29). As you can see (in the PDF-story posted above) it is an artefact of the earliest versions drawn by JG.
 
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Just one more question.... I would like to build the paradise with two inputs, one for MC and another one for MM.

In the MM case can I use an inverted SUT ?

I will call it a SDT as it will step down the output of the MM cart ... I plan to use a 10X tx so gain will be reduced 20dB.

As there is a 10x ratio if I load the cart in the secondary with 470ohm, the cart will see 10sqr x 470 = 47k if I am not wrong.... do you believe it can be done ?
 
3 of the the BJT input pairs could be switched off. Then you get less gain.
If that is still too much you can reduce the idle current in the input.
Problem is that this switching could create a loud plop.
An inverted SUT is a strange idea that comes with some cost but it could work. Have not seen it before though.
Another way to reduce the gain is scaling the RIAA parts. It is approximately proportional to the resistors and anti proportional to the capacitors. When you half the values of the resistors and double the value of the capacitors for example.
 
In a privat conversation Ricardo asked me if it is possible to get other EQ curves then RIAA to reproduce recordings that where manufactured before the RIAA standart in 1957.
Yes, that is possible by adjusting the components in what is now the RIAA part.
Decca, Deutsche Grammophon, EMI, RCA and others had their own curves before the RIAA standart was agreed on. Also not all of the labels switched immediately to RIAA.