Japanese Papst on steroids (a Sony motor)

honinbou · 29th December 2008, 07:34 AM

Has anyone ever seen one of these in their reel to reel decks?
Turns out that it's a Japanese version of the Papst “flywheel” motor.

Would this make a good turntable motor? Well the shell is already balanced.

Mikewong · 29th December 2008, 10:32 PM

I got one that run with 720RPM with 50V AC but the torque is a bit low to be used as a turntable motor.

honinbou · 30th December 2008, 05:31 AM

thanks.
I guess it will put this motor back into the reel to reel.

EC8010 · 30th December 2008, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikewong
... but the torque is a bit low to be used as a turntable motor.

So long as it can keep the platter going round you don't need really much torque. Nottingham Analogue use such weedy motors that you have to start the platter moving by hand - the motor can't start it. That motor looks good to me.

qwad · 30th December 2008, 08:46 AM

agreed, l had a no-name tt one time that once you put a dustbug on the lp had to be hand assisted to come up to speed, but once there kept going all day without missing a beat

cheers T.C.

Nanook · 30th December 2008, 02:45 PM

if its as good as it appears, use it! nothing wrong with low voltage.
As EC8010 points out, not much voltage is required to keep a motor spinning (and platter) once it is up to speed.

In fact to get a correct speed, you may have to alter the voltage (if DC type) or change the frequency if AC type and the voltage.

Air pax motors used in Linn LP12 turntables apparently run great when fed 72VAC or so...

stew

Edit: Spoonerisms edited out by moderator!

Mikewong · 31st December 2008, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikewong
I got one that run with 720RPM with 50V AC but the torque is a bit low to be used as a turntable motor.

And here is the attached photo.

Nanook · 31st December 2008, 02:04 PM

if I recall, as motor speed drops, torque increases in a linear fashion (almost). Feed that motor with a different frequency, and drop the voltage. Speed will be reduced and torque will increase, perhaps making it suitable for a turntable. Or do some math, calculate the required platter speed, then make an intermediate pulley (2 stepped) to be driven by the motor and to drive the platter.

stew
Happy New Year to all, where ever you are

honinbou · 4th January 2009, 07:33 AM

Thank you all. I guess I'll keep the flywheel motor for a future turntable project.

torontodude · 5th January 2009, 11:14 PM

Great find!

For interest, here's a link to photos of my Dyna Empire 208/Papst set on Flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/worldwi...7603524842069/

Is yours a 3-phase EC motor like the Papst??? I'm still looking for a digital-analogue controller for mine.

30th December 2008, 08:46 AM	#5
qwad diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: adelaide city of churches	agreed, l had a no-name tt one time that once you put a dustbug on the lp had to be hand assisted to come up to speed, but once there kept going all day without missing a beat cheers T.C. __________________ we all have problems only some people have more than most.... long live the Magyar (Hungarians) in the world!

30th December 2008, 02:45 PM	#6
Nanook diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chinook Country.Alberta	honinbou,use the motor! if its as good as it appears, use it! nothing wrong with low voltage. As EC8010 points out, not much voltage is required to keep a motor spinning (and platter) once it is up to speed. In fact to get a correct speed, you may have to alter the voltage (if DC type) or change the frequency if AC type *and* the voltage. Air pax motors used in Linn LP12 turntables apparently run great when fed 72VAC or so... stew Edit: Spoonerisms edited out by moderator! __________________ stew ☮ -"A sane man in an insane world appears insane."

31st December 2008, 02:04 PM	#8
Nanook diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chinook Country.Alberta	Mikewong... if I recall, as motor speed drops, torque increases in a linear fashion (almost). Feed that motor with a different frequency, and drop the voltage. Speed will be reduced and torque will increase, perhaps making it suitable for a turntable. Or do some math, calculate the required platter speed, then make an intermediate pulley (2 stepped) to be driven by the motor and to drive the platter. stew Happy New Year to all, where ever you are __________________ stew ☮ -"A sane man in an insane world appears insane."

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29th December 2008, 10:32 PM	#2
Mikewong diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Milan	I got one that run with 720RPM with 50V AC but the torque is a bit low to be used as a turntable motor.

30th December 2008, 05:31 AM	#3
honinbou diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2004	thanks. I guess it will put this motor back into the reel to reel.

4th January 2009, 07:33 AM	#9
honinbou diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2004	Thank you all. I guess I'll keep the flywheel motor for a future turntable project.

5th January 2009, 11:14 PM	#10
torontodude diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2007	Great find! For interest, here's a link to photos of my Dyna Empire 208/Papst set on Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/worldwi...7603524842069/ Is yours a 3-phase EC motor like the Papst??? I'm still looking for a digital-analogue controller for mine.

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