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Old 16th October 2012, 02:16 AM   #8191
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Terrific - thanks, Rush ... now I understand your choice.

What caps cost $34 for 0.1uF? I have used Relcap RTX at about $9 in this position ... I presume yours sound a lot better?


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I am using Mundorf Silver and oil. They do sound good. Next step up is the V-Cap FTFT for $122 / pair. I also put the Mundorf 0.1 inside the RiAA circuit so I got twice the pop and twice the spend. It never ends.

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Old 16th October 2012, 02:19 AM   #8192
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I am using Mundorf Silver and oil. They do sound good. Next step up is the V-Cap FTFT for $122 / pair. I also put the Mundorf 0.1 inside the RiAA circuit so I got twice the pop and twice the spend. It never ends.

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Old 16th October 2012, 06:12 AM   #8193
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159155
Divide your resistance then your uF into the above number and you have the 3 BD down roll off frequency. Multiply the 3 DB down frequency by 10 and that is how far the phase shift effects the frequency response.
So, 159155/1000000/.1 = 1.59 Hz x 10 = 15.9 Hz. All good, below 20 Hz
If, 159155/500000/.1 = 3.18 Hz x 10 = 31.8 Hz.

As the resistance goes down, the cap size goes up for the same roll off.

In the original circuit we had 2.2 uF and 1 meg, but I am using a DCB1 buffer with a 25k volume pot and a 220k input resistor. So an effective 22k resistance following the output cap.
The math, 159155/22000/2.2 = 3.29 Hz x 10 = 32.9 Hz phase shift
Really need to double the output cap, now that is getting pricey.

I see no advantage of using a lower resistance into a B1 buffer and I see great reasons to use the smallest cap that will do the job. The 0.1 uF coupling cap I used are $34 each, if I was looking a 4.7 uF of the same quality, would be $111 each and who knows if the bigger cap would sound as good as the smaller one, some folks would by pass the 4.7 uF with a smaller value and the cost keep going up.
I also don't have the physical space in my preamp for a larger cap anyway.

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So you are loading the simplistic second stage directly with a 25k pot...

Maybe the cure would be another dcb1 buffer between the simplistic and the pot right ?
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Old 16th October 2012, 12:04 PM   #8194
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Maybe the cure would be another dcb1 buffer between the simplistic and the pot right ?
Thats what I did, DCB1 before 25k pot.

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Old 16th October 2012, 12:46 PM   #8195
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And did you place another dcb1 after the pot ?
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Old 16th October 2012, 04:56 PM   #8196
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RC, its simple what I proposed to Rush back then so to save money and gain quality on boutique coupling. What we make here is full phono systems interfacing to many line pre-amps right? So they got a buffer stage and 2.2uF or more output capacitor. But Rush already had it integrated in a box with dcb1 circuits, a JFET active crossover filter, and minus polarity shunt reg available. So I told him, look don't spend top dollar for higher capacity couplers, utilize your dcb1 in place of the phono buffer. To do that he had to couple further back at second stage's load resistor node to dcb1 circuit using high input resistance. So 0.1uF was enough, cheaper, smaller, and arguably better due to less foil. No he could not stick the vol pot there of course, but he sandwiched it between two buffers. Still same buffers count bcs he eliminated one integral to the phono. Clear?
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Old 16th October 2012, 07:26 PM   #8198
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Have you had an opportunity to further listen to latest edition. TRying to decide whether to go ahead with current one or wait just a bit.
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No, I am finishing a little line preamp first that I had long promised to a mate that moved house.
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THanks,,
Ill go ahead then.
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