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Old 12th September 2012, 08:07 PM   #7991
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K369 for noise is as using 2 K170 roughly. Yfs and Ciss go up together, so no free lunch, it shows some advantage in lower frequencies for a special kind of noise named generation recombination as Scott W. explained. Here you are, another toy attached.
This will be my next build.

I like the sound of my actual 48d "stock" version so much, I decided not to tamper with it and use it as "pivot".

I will do this 57db as soon as I collect enough CHF to buy the parts needed

Really happy about this.
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Old 12th September 2012, 08:07 PM   #7992
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I notice a nitid deviation on the second inflection point between second and thir graph.
I did not get that, can you explain in more words?
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Old 12th September 2012, 08:10 PM   #7993
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Fourth graph presents an inflection point near 3kHz.. tirth graph presents the same inflection at a much higher freq (5 to 6kHz)
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Old 12th September 2012, 08:20 PM   #7994
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The scale is so much zoomed in that with real parts tolerances I am not sure that we will ever be able to emulate those curves, the idea was to initially have a very faint droop as we progress in higher frequencies. Still if the modded gain blocks will work to satisfaction, those curves will possibly need to be more heavily voiced to subjective synergy or left alone. Till then, some road. But its a non problematic starting point, not too deviant IMHO. What do you think?
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Old 13th September 2012, 04:06 PM   #7995
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I believe the stock solution (6k8 // 2m2) will give sound a bit more "attack" but nothing to worry about... The other values are very good indeed.

This will be my next build for sure
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Old 14th September 2012, 04:20 AM   #7996
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Hey Kent

Your build is one I've been following with great interest since ploughing (backwards!) through this thread all afternoon!

Firstly, would you mind if I emulated your very neat layout please?

Secondly, how did your stage come out sounding in the end? Would love to hear your views.


Cheers.

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Hi John- Please feel free to emulate away!

How does it sound? Great! I only have a Mitsubishi Integra preamp to compare it to. My Salas RIAA build has more dynamics and life. Very happy with it's sound. Of course there are many variables and subjectivity. I'm also using a lab supply to power the shunts as I've been too distracted/busy to build a transformer/CLC power supply.

It doesn't have quite as much gain as the Integra but plenty loud enough. Possibly the latest ideas on this thread will address that. Still good to go. I hope I can get into in a box for Burning Amp in October!

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Old 15th September 2012, 12:11 PM   #7997
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Default 58db cascoded build

Hi Salas
For Q8, can I use a BF245C instead of a BF245 A ?

It sets the current in the leds that provide bias for Q3 (folded cascode trannie).. do you believe higher current might modify bias too much or is it about noise ?

In alternative, I can use a suitable 6mA K170 right ?
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Old 15th September 2012, 12:47 PM   #7998
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What about 2N5457 ? Can I use it for Q8 ?
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Old 15th September 2012, 01:26 PM   #7999
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You may either put a resistor between G&S BF245C pins with a value that will get it down to circa 5mA (try 470R) and take current output from G pin, or use 2N5457 3-5mA natural. My BF245A little stash averages at 3.5mA for instance. They are both low capacitance higher RDS ON JFETs but suitably quiet also that will meet the 4 Leds impedance better for minimal harmonic noise pick up of CCSed Leds Vref in that cascode transistor's base bias system. Not a big deal but prefer them to K170 for the job if able.
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I see your point... both BF245 and 2N5457 have much lower Cis (around 4p) but BF245 has a lower noise figure.

Thank you so much.

Now another point: Why did you choose 47nF for interstage ? Can I use 100n ?

In the output... is 4u7 too much ?
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