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Old 7th May 2012, 03:00 PM   #7601
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I ordered the AT311EP for $23 from Amazon, I figured if I didn't like it I could return it. Dunno if I could get anything better in the $50 price range though.
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Old 7th May 2012, 03:49 PM   #7602
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A little update:

I'm going to audition a Townshend rock III TT on thursday. Price is good. It has a Goldring eroica cart (not sure which) with 0.4 - 0.5 mV. I heard a Rock many years ago and liked it. Sounds like this may be a better investment than getting a new cart for the Technics.
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Old 7th May 2012, 03:51 PM   #7603
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Spent a few hours looking for reviews of these carts with various posh shaped stylii. Unfortunately I haven't been able to reach a conclusion either. I'm very tempted to spend 250 euros on an Ortofon X1.
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Will I need the pre-pre if I plug a medium output MC cartridge into the MM RIAA?
I believe the output of the cartridge is around 0.5mv.
Spending 250 EUR given the clever bargain constitution of your now satisfactory system is a leap of faith. If you have no previous experience with MC you should take into account that those are much more demanding beasts for TT uniformity and setup. They extend to HF genuinely when MM are utilizing an electrical loading resonance. They can bring to fore tracking issues and badly mixed cuts. But they bring much more transcription info along too. A normal output MC is usually more revealing than a high MC due to less weight and resistance of its lighter moving mass. Sports less turns for its moving generator. And it will need the pre-pre add on to an existing MM level stage indeed.
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Old 7th May 2012, 03:52 PM   #7604
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A little update:

I'm going to audition a Townshend rock III TT on thursday. Price is good. It has a Goldring eroica cart (not sure which) with 0.4 - 0.5 mV. I heard a Rock many years ago and liked it. Sounds like this may be a better investment than getting a new cart for the Technics.
Sounds like a prudent move.
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Old 7th May 2012, 03:54 PM   #7605
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I ordered the AT311EP for $23 from Amazon, I figured if I didn't like it I could return it. Dunno if I could get anything better in the $50 price range though.
Fine price, let us know how it fared in the end.
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Old 10th May 2012, 11:15 PM   #7606
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The cart arrived today, and I've set it up. Do all T4P carts weigh the same? I couldn't get a tracking force gauge... Tomorrow or soon my ultra-cheap $13 phono preamp will arrive, which I can either mod or rebuild. I want to make Alex Nikitin's MM preamp, but I don't know how to go about getting the right caps.

The AT311EP would seem to be a different kind of cart from the AT92ECD. It appears that the only difference between the AT 300-331 series may be the needle, so if I can find the AT3472LC needle, maybe...
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Old 10th May 2012, 11:36 PM   #7607
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Grado is 5.5g, Ortofon is 6g, for AT I could not quickly find about mass. It seems secure to assume they hover at 5-6g standard.
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Old 10th May 2012, 11:46 PM   #7608
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The manual for my turntable seems to say that all T4P carts are the same weight, and this explains why the tracking force adjustment has a 1-1.5g dial, which goes down as the counterweight is moved away from the fulcrum...
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Old 11th May 2012, 12:01 AM   #7609
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Fortifies the impression they follow some mass and compliance norm then. I am no P-Mount user, never was so to confirm of course. What about that cheap phono you are about to receive and modify? Some PC add on OP-AMP job I presume. Correct?
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Old 11th May 2012, 01:11 AM   #7610
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DIYAudio didn't accept my last post for some reason (forum error?), so I must re-type...

Nope. I plan to get an M-Audio 192 for recording and playback... But the pawn shop wouldn't accept my mint Denon AVR588!!! The preamp is a Pyle Pro P444. It seems to be an imitation of the Behringer P400.

PylePro - PP444 - Ultra Compact Phono Turntable Preamp

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The ultra low-noise audio operational amplifier offers outstanding sound performance.
I have the cart running right now. Many things sound the same, which could be the preamp and records I'm playing. I'd say it sounds warmer, despite being more detailed and having better instrument separation. Soundfield depth has increased. Realism has increased, except for seeming too "warm". Bass is very tight, seemingly a little faint. I've been listening for little more than an hour so I'm not sure. Before I played I adjusted the tracking force to manual recommended 1.25g, it was at 1g which I realized was extreme and I knew it wasn't the original setting, so this could have affected the sound.

The preamp I'm listening to now is part of a JCPenny 3210 Stereo Receiver. This thing is old, uses STK-blah chip amps, and has HAxxxx chips in it, I didn't look around in it much.
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