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Old 19th March 2010, 10:14 AM   #3381
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@ Merlin:
Wich others? > all the professional designers out there are using it.

@ Caro Ricardo
How do you think Jim builds and tests his iRIAA ?
The best way to test a iRIAA is certanly the use of a propperly setup RIAA no ?

I don't know how Jim Hagerman is doing it. There is an exactly measuring rule to do check this:
Build a low impedance Inverse RIAA - 600 Ohms for example - and insert it between the signal generator and the phono stage input. Measure the amplitude frequency response. If your curve RIAA network is correct you must get a proper frequence response.

That's the theory. Sonical the result can be "adjusted" like you all know... I agree that not all discs are cutted with that 50khz drop off but that's live.
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Old 19th March 2010, 12:33 PM   #3382
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Would you share the reasoning behind the resistor value.... why 200r ?
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Creates a compatible zero rectifying the droop when driven with the extra pole. Just EQ.
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Old 19th March 2010, 01:23 PM   #3384
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Hey guys, interesting exchange of ideas about RIAA
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Old 19th March 2010, 01:47 PM   #3385
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No Inter vs. Barca in Madrid.... we'll stop in Barcellona.
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Old 19th March 2010, 02:00 PM   #3386
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Now 2 Tx + 2 PSU in one box & Phono RIAA using 2 Regs in other box.

Subjetive impressions: more gain, more separation between channels, etc., are far better than using 1 reg & 1 Tx.

Next step "remote sensing".
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Old 19th March 2010, 02:03 PM   #3387
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No Inter vs. Barca in Madrid.... we'll stop in Barcellona.
Who knows, in Madrid no, but is possible Inter plays & wins the Champions League, why not?
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Old 19th March 2010, 04:17 PM   #3388
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Now 2 Tx + 2 PSU in one box & Phono RIAA using 2 Regs in other box.

Subjetive impressions: more gain, more separation between channels, etc., are far better than using 1 reg & 1 Tx.

Next step "remote sensing".
Now you´r talking
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Old 19th March 2010, 04:26 PM   #3389
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@ Merlin:
> all the professional designers out there are using it.

@ Caro Ricardo

I don't know how Jim Hagerman is doing it. There is an exactly measuring rule to do check this:
Build a low impedance Inverse RIAA - 600 Ohms for example - and insert it between the signal generator and the phono stage input. Measure the amplitude frequency response. If your curve RIAA network is correct you must get a proper frequence response.

That's the theory. Sonical the result can be "adjusted" like you all know... I agree that not all discs are cutted with that 50khz drop off but that's live.
Would you give me a hint about one or two OEM phono preamps that actually use a 4rth pole in the 50kHz ? Today I am atending another Audio Fair and would like to know.

Do you mean that building a low impedance iRIAA is more acurate than building the RIAA itself ?

I am strugling to reach the optimum curve but it seems there are many ways to reach Rome.....
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Old 19th March 2010, 04:27 PM   #3390
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Creates a compatible zero rectifying the droop when driven with the extra pole. Just EQ.
I believe I got the math behind it already.... I will ask your opinion latter.
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