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Old 1st August 2009, 12:01 PM   #2121
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Default Output cap bypass

As you might know, I have been experimenting with some cap bypass..... The output caps are obbligato gold 4,7u and I connected some 100n FT-3 in parallel.

For this purpose I connected the bypass caps using aligator clips on long wires and did like the trebble and bass extension.

After some weeks I decided to hardwire and glued the FT-3 on the obbligatos and used some short silver wire to solder them im place.

There are enormous gains in attack and trebble extension but I did not like to overall result.... lost some mid freq presence and got some high freq coarseness.

Now I reverted to the no bypass situation and I am very pleased.

It seems the short wires killed the magic.

Another issue: As the bypass caps where glued to the main caps, and these are not fixed with braces, the contraption became very susceptible to microphony so I could not use the riaa without the lid closed..... All caps must be braced.

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Old 7th August 2009, 10:37 AM   #2122
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Hi Salas

I am now gathering parts to build my second riaa for the DL160.

I will use the schematic you posted in post 1813 http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...25#post1839225

Due to my actual cost avoidance posture, I need to use whatever I have at home.

Can I use a 2x18v TX (instead of 2x15v) to power the 28v shunt ?

Can you please remind me the best Idss to use in Q1 Q2 and Q5 ?

Also, what is the best load for the DL160 ?

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Old 7th August 2009, 04:39 PM   #2123
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I use 45dB gain and 1k load for my 160. It can drive OK a B1 or my 6V6 buffer for circa 30dB amps into 95dB speakers. 48dB will pick up on the volume control soon if their is more than 6dB gain in your pre and the speakers are over 90dB, but on the other hand it is still controllable and good for SNR.

2X18V Trafo you want to use for double bridges and each 18V for a different shunt per channel? If yes, it is low. Will give about 24V DC for each, when you need 33V as lower safe for logical mains variations.

If you want to use it as a 36V single transformer, then you get about 50V and RC can take it down to 35V and will filter some mains and rectification gremlins also.

8.5mA Idss is the reference for Q1,2,5. You must know that by having a distortion meter or FFT, it is better if you can tune with trimmers instead of directly using steady Rs. Jfets differ in some things and there is always a sweeter spot for best THD in each build, and its clearly audible, but it takes some calibrated clean card or lab stuff. Another approach (practical but tedious) is to listen for +/- 0.5V Vd steps around ballpark Rs schematic value and decide. It changes Ibias, varies second harmonic and its proportion to 3rd. For the cascode stage you measure Vc on the bjt's top. Doing it by ear its a juggling act so to ''tune'' for two stages, but it is rewarding. Don't choke the stages for too low voltage across the elements or too little current.
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Thank you Salas

I am using the TX to make 36v..... what type of RC do you suggest to lower the voltage ? (A resistor before the smoothing cap in the psu ?)

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Thank you Salas

I am using the TX to make 36v..... what type of RC do you mean to lower the voltage ?

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36Vac X 1,4 == 50,4Vdc minus 2V drop in bridge should deliver 48Vdc on your reservoir capacitor. Each phono stage consumes about 50mA, so two will draw 0,1A. According to Ohm's law delta V (48-32)= 16Vdc which equals the current (0.1A) times the value of the drop resistor. So you need a 160 ohm resistor which dissipates 1,6 watt continiously. A 5W wirewound will be practical, followed by a capacitor as big or bigger than the reservoir cap. 2200uF 63V is a practical value.
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Hi jaap

I do not want to use any cap after the smoothing cap... is that possible ?

In my working riaa, I am using a 2x15v TX (80VA) and I read 42v after the smoothing caps.... The shunts produce 28v from those 42v.... maybe that is why they heat so much ??

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Hi jaap

I do not want to use any cap after the smoothing cap... is that possible ?

In my working riaa, I am using a 2x15v TX (80VA) and I read 42v after the smoothing caps.... The shunts produce 28v from those 42v.... maybe that is why they heat so much ??

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Yes mate, too much power is heating things up.

To get 32 to 33Vdc you better look for a 24V + 24V tranny in the 100 to 150W range. Nice, old skool EI-core is fine. Use a toroid if you must.
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