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Old 18th November 2007, 04:50 AM   #1
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Default New Patent - your ideas - magnetofluid liquid LP Groove reader

I applied for a patent. I did not research is it new or old but i applied blindly.
Let me start to explain the history of technology , as you know lawrence livermore national laboratories play with 3 stadium big lasers and they want to focus this beam to a wider target which could not doable with traditional lenses.
They developed a new lens with its surface carved with steps.
These steps might be very precise and thin and they developed magnetorheological finishing.
At MRF , there is a liquid surface made by magnetofluids and controlled by magnetic field. When the liquid surface keeps its shape with magnetism , glass move on it and carved.
Second technology comes from welding , welders want to detect the cracks of welds and they use magnetic fluids.
My invention is to use magnetofluidic drop controlled by magnetism and dive in to the groove of the LP and read the surfaces better than the metal needle. As you know needle tip design dictate the quality of the music and liquid is the best adaptive material to the grooves.
We can listen the fluid with a sensor and get the music.
I need your ideas for make a prototype.

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Old 18th November 2007, 06:04 AM   #2
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Reading something as subtle as a magnetic fluid movement would require an instrument as delicate as a SQUID. Cost ~$150,000

And someone to do dynamic simulation because of the resultant eddies and interactions.

I've heard of people building their own squid, do a search for josephson junction and see if you can come up with a homebuilt version. The first jj (stored at NIST dc) is almost as ridiculous looking as the first transistor (stored at univ of MN).
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Old 18th November 2007, 07:41 AM   #3
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Default Re: New Patent - your ideas - magnetofluid liquid LP Groove reader

Originally posted by umutmt
We can listen the fluid with a sensor and get the music.
Is it not more practical to just drink it?
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Old 18th November 2007, 08:01 AM   #4
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Old 18th November 2007, 08:37 AM   #5
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I know squids and they dont cost that much. Many researhers built their units as magnetometers. There are papers for homemade units at google. Why you believe , i need such a unit ?

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Old 18th November 2007, 12:15 PM   #6
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Seismograph oscilloscopes as ADC's? phono cartridges with liquid needles? DIY magnetometer guides hosted on Google servers? Setting up a counterfeit record factory? Ripping CDs to vinyl on the cheap?

Are you high?
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Old 21st November 2007, 05:50 PM   #7
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Old 22nd November 2007, 02:24 AM   #8
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So the man has a few crazy ideas; don't we all?

Mustafa on a serious note which might save you some money: your patent will be open to challenge by anyone who cites your original post.

A patent must satisfy three tests: it must be new, it must not be obvious to someone "skilled in the art" and it must do what you say it does.

Your first post makes it obvious that this idea does not work (yet). You cannot get a valid patent until it does work.

Since you have disclosed part of the content here, it would then be open to challenge on novelty. Some countries have protection against "self disclosure" for one year but I don't think that applies for international publication, which the web certainly is.
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