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Old 22nd January 2013, 04:52 AM   #1
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Default SMD High-Voltage Discrete Diamond Buffer

We wish to share with you a cute little circuit we did for our own use.
The prototype is on its way to the US for more measurement on bandwidth & THD.
So further measurement results to come.




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Old 22nd January 2013, 04:59 AM   #2
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Here a larger picture of the first prototype.
This does not have the most up-to-date pin out.
There is already a new revision of the PCB which includes the protection diodes.



Many thanks to Walt Jung for his many constructive comments.


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Old 22nd January 2013, 06:58 AM   #3
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Looks promising --- can you get the thd down below -100dB??
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Old 22nd January 2013, 07:30 AM   #4
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I cannot measure, that is why it is on its way to the states.
Then it can be measured to below -120dB.


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Old 4th October 2013, 01:49 AM   #5
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Well .... ? Its now October;
How did it measure?

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Old 4th October 2013, 05:06 PM   #6
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My measurement expert in the US has been submerged in work that he has not enough time to sleep.
I simply cannot justify asking him to give priority to hobby.

If you have the right equipment and are willing to take over, I am happy to ask him to send it to you.
Just send me a PM.

Terribly sorry for our sloppiness.


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Old 1st November 2013, 06:23 AM   #7
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Finally, a very kind member of the forum has offered to measure the buffer for us.
So I built him a new one.

As the transistors I got from Mouser do not have overlap in hfe between PNP & NPN, they were not matched P to N.
The PNPs have hfe of around 300, the NPNs around 270.

The results is shown here.
1Vrms 1kHz 100kOhm load -0.013dB of gain
1Vrms 1kHz 600 Ohm load -0.125dB of gain
1Vrms 1kHz 300 Ohm load -0.233dB of gain
So output impedance is about 8 ohm.

2nd harmonics (100k load) -110dB, 4th at -125dB.
These can be improved if hfe between NPN & PNP are better matched.
The buffer was never intended for driving 600ohm, but we tested it out of curiosity.
If you need to drive low ohmic load, then a more robust outstage as published by Walt should be used.

No added noise can be seen when lightly loaded (as was the intended application), to the limit of the AP2 analyzer used for the measurements.


Many many thanks for the measurements,
Patrick
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Old 1st November 2013, 07:28 PM   #8
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Some more test results. Most sincere thanks again to Dimitri.
Firstly 1Vrms 1kHz with 12.8k load.


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Then the same test for 10kHz.

From left to right :
Measurement noise floor
10kHz 1Vrms 100k load
10kHz 1Vrms 12.8k load
10kHz 1Vrms 600R load
10kHz 1Vrms 300R load

According to Dimitri, the garbage at 32kHz, 64kHz, etc. comes from computer and not the buffer.


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Old 1st November 2013, 07:45 PM   #10
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I should also mention that source impedance is 40 ohm.


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