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BigE 2nd October 2012 05:54 PM

LME49990 design note
 
from an LME49990 design note

" SUPPLY BYPASSING
To achieve a low noise and high-speed audio performance,
power supply bypassing is extremely important. Applying
multiple bypass capacitors is highly recommended. From experiment
results, a 10μF tantalum, 2.2μF ceramic, and a
0.47μF ceramic work well.
All bypass capacitors leads should
be very short. The ground leads of capacitors should also be
separated to reduce the inductance to ground. To obtain the
best result, a large ground plane layout technique is recommended
and it was applied in the LME49990 evaluation
board."

In trying the LME49990 with Peter Daniels phono, is quite noisy -- all the HFI/RFI generated by the tonearm wiring are heard. Apparently, power supply bypassing may help.

Does the bolded text actually refer to three caps in parallel for each PS voltage? That's a lot of caps!

5th element 2nd October 2012 06:44 PM

In this instance it is referring to the bypassing caps placed close to the power pins of the opamps. In other words 6 caps per 8 pin package, 3 caps per polarity, placing the smallest size the closest to the device with next smallest after it etc.

This wont have any effect on anything stray picked up by the tone arm wiring.

BigE 2nd October 2012 06:51 PM

Thank you!

BTW: I am trying to combat a hiss problem. Sounds like FM interstation noise, but HF only.

JensH 6th October 2012 08:37 AM

It seems like you need some EMC decoupling on the input. A small (NPO) capacitor on the input to ground (close to the input of the op-amp) may be sufficient. But you could also put a ferrite bead in series with the input, before the capacitor to ground.
The power supply decoupling will hopefully keep the op-amp stable, but it will not remove noise coming from the input. With high speed op-amps like this the supply decoupling is very important to keep it stable.

doctordata 6th October 2012 09:33 AM

9 volt batteries and decoupling
 
I build this Another Super High End Phono Stage! No expense spared... - AudioKarma.org Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums phonostage ( see post 1350) with the LME49990 and decoupled with 100nF ceramic and 10u low ESR electrolitic and the results are very good , no hum absolutely no noise , just beautifull music , but I use two 9V ( rechargeble Nimh ) batteries , 5 hours on a load , but my Scotch is drained before the batteries :)

Cheers ,

Rens

BigE 9th October 2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JensH (Post 3191621)
It seems like you need some EMC decoupling on the input. A small (NPO) capacitor on the input to ground (close to the input of the op-amp) may be sufficient. But you could also put a ferrite bead in series with the input, before the capacitor to ground.
The power supply decoupling will hopefully keep the op-amp stable, but it will not remove noise coming from the input. With high speed op-amps like this the supply decoupling is very important to keep it stable.

The input impedance of the OPA627/637 is 8 or 9 pF.

You're suggesting another similarly sized cap be used on the input to ground?

As far as I know, the circuit is a clone of the 47 labs phono section, but with different op amps. The LME is different again.

What I find interesting is that the speaker fuse blew. The amp is a phase linear, but the pre has an output coupling cap, so this is not a DC problem -- could there have been over 4A at supersonic frequencies? OR maybe the decoupling caps are bad....

JensH 9th October 2012 03:07 PM

The fact that the speaker fuse blew points to a problem with instability (oscillation). Do you have an oscilloscope to check the output?
One problem with a fast op-amp like the LME49990 is that the supply decoupling is very critical. The LME49990 has a Gain Bandwidth of 110MHz.

How did you build this? On the PCB from Peter Daniel? Have you used the decoupling capacitors recommended by NSC/TI?

First priority is to make sure the op-amps are stable. Then you can deal with the HFI/RFI problems, if they are still present. If they are I would start with e.g. 47pF from the input to ground. If that helps, but perhaps does not remove it completely, I would try to add a ferrite bead (or a resistor of e.g. 100 ohm for initial testing) in series with the input.

BigE 9th October 2012 03:21 PM

I'm starting to confuse two seperate tests. There are no supply decoupling caps in the original circuit. I added 1uF tantalum decoupling to the OPA chips. That blew the fuse.
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I have two LME49990 smd to DIP adapters. I plugged one straight into the OPA627 socket on the Peter Daniel board. I bought them to replace the 627 on the input opamp. This was as noisy as heck, transmitting all the noise from the tonearm ground. I don't see how PS decoupling will fix that.

JensH 9th October 2012 03:33 PM

I had a suspicion that there was no decoupling in the original circuit. With some luck you may be able to get away with that using a "slow" op-amp like the OPA627 (GBW 16MHz). But with a faster amp like the LME49990 that is asking for trouble.

To get the shortest wires possible your last suggestion might be worth trying.

BigE 9th October 2012 03:41 PM

Sorry, I editted when you were responding.

The last suggesting was to decouple on the DIP adapter, and connect the unused pin 8 to power supply common.


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