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Old 16th November 2012, 02:47 AM   #2091
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1955 Charmes-Chambertin is pushing it. Most probably bleedin' deceased. My condolences.

My oldest authentic burg is a 1983 La Tache magnum. When??
1983 was a pretty spotty vintage, lots of rot. The only bottle of 1983 La Tache I have seen did not look that inviting. You better make sure I'm there just in case.

More disappointing was the 1990 Clos de la Bousse d'Or and 2006 Echezeaux Gros Freres both sort of four square and clunky and these are seriously priced wines. I just don't see modern Burgundy.
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And since we're in a groove, had this last weekend: 1997 d'Arenberg The Ironstone Pressings, Australia, South Australia, Fleurieu, McLaren Vale - CellarTracker!. Was worried about how it had fared but it was excellent, the comments about the fruit are spot on ...

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My oldest authentic burg is a 1983 La Tache magnum. When??
How can you keep a fine wine for sooo long? I have to drink it after a few good years of storage. My oldest fine wine now is only from 1996.

So, I thought I would get something made in countries or by makers no longer around -- Like 7 star rated Metaxa from Greece :-) and an old Polish liquer store owner who went to a home for the aged left me with a large bottle from his stash of Polish Vodka made over 50 years ago (from the time he gave it to me) called Krolemska. And, A fine but small Irish whiskey maker who went broke and sold off all its stock of their rare and best single malt Scotch Whiskey -Rose Bank made in 1979, bottled in 1999. If you cant or don't dare drink it, it might as well be unique. -RNM

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How can you keep a fine wine for sooo long? I have to drink it after a few good years of storage. My oldest fine wine now is only from 1996.

So, I thought I would get something made in countries or by makers no longer around -- Like 7 star rated Metaxa from Greece :-) and an old Polish liquer store owner who went to a home for the aged left me with a large bottle from his stash of Polish Vodka made over 50 years ago (from the time he gave it to me) called Krolemska. And, A fine but small Irish whiskey maker who went broke and sold off all its stock of their rare and best single malt Scotch Whiskey -Rose Bank made in 1979, bottled in 1999. If you cant or don't dare drink it, it might as well be unique. -RNM
Once bottled spirits tend not to age. I once bought a bottle of Burbon bonded in 1916 and stored to avoid prohibition, lost and found in a warehouse in the 1980's. One taste and Scarface, the Godfather, and Al Capone all make sense.
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One of the differences of really old spirits is how they were made and the ingrediants used back then compared to the same process but not quite the same ingrediants. The wood isnt the same, either (if it ever is). So, they taste different/unique and you wont be able to get anything like it again. Even if the brand is still making it. Not unlike wines, in this regard. But, I never drink spirits since my early youth when I learned my lesson on high %age drinks. But, there are those who havent over-indulged yet and they get to drink them and I just stand back and watch.
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One of the differences of really old spirits is how they were made and the ingrediants used back then compared to the same process but not quite the same ingrediants
OTOH the year to year consistency on single malt scotch is amazing, there are golden palates as well as golden ears. The average person could not tell the difference between 15 yr. old Glenlivet across many decades.
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consistency - yes, especially when they use the same French oak barrels for storage for decades. When they have to change the wood, then there is a more noticable change which again is consistant for decades in the 'new' wood. I yield to more experience drinkers.
When i lived for three years in Germany, I learned a lot about the wines of France and Germany and the region; Many great wines are fully consumed locally and we never get to taste them over here. Now, I mostly find Calif wines which have become pretty darn good as competitors.
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consistency - yes, especially when they use the same French oak barrels for storage for decades. .
What I meant was take a "The Glenlivet 15" bottled in 1950 and one bottled in 2000 and it would take a 6 sigma palate to tell the difference. They are that careful to maintain consistency all factors not withstanding.

In any case we shall be back OT tomrrow.
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My oldest authentic burg is a 1983 La Tache magnum. When??
Dicey.

Scott holds the ****-you wine record. Sauntered into the restaurant for dinner one night and plopped an 1850 Verdelho on the table. Consensus was that it needed another century. Oldest I have on hand at the moment is a '47 Rioja.
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