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Old 21st July 2012, 06:27 AM   #1
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Default The XCEN -- Balanced to Single Ended Converter

Joachim Gerhard & I had some discussions here about a balanced to single ended converter :
Zen -> Cen -> Sen, evolution of a minimalistic IV Converter
(up to post #1052)

I renamed it XCEN, as X (balanced or differential) is converted to C (single ended complementary).

The previous version (2C) still uses 2SK170/2SJ74 which are now difficult to get.
So I tried another version by just replacing the 2SK170/2SJ74s with 2SK246/2SJ103.
Performance is still very decent. So good news as the latter are still relatively easy to get.

PCB for this latest version will follow. To be continued.




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Old 21st July 2012, 12:29 PM   #2
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Maybe J112 and J175 could work too but i have not tried it.
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Old 21st July 2012, 04:16 PM   #3
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Good idea to have this new thread.

Rather than introduce some alternatives here I think I'll start another thread as well. I'm getting some extremely promising results in sim from an all-NJFET variant on the PNP Wilson-mirror-based current-differencing stage I showed in the Zen -> Cen -> thread.

That may also be the place to show some of the extensions to Sen that I studied several months ago. We shall see.

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Brad, that will be very interesting.

But it would be good if you could reduce the number of voltage sources required in the circuit.
Also I wonder how you might deal with DC drifts.
JFETs are not known to be thermally stable current sources.


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Joachim,

J175 is very noisy.
Also from my experience their Idss varies quite a bit in a batch.
So you need a large pool to match from.

But don't let me discourage you to try.


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Old 21st July 2012, 04:57 PM   #6
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Of course if you make it symmetric after the input Jfets it will also convert
single-ended to balanced.

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As John's Blowtorch will.




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Brad, that will be very interesting.

But it would be good if you could reduce the number of voltage sources required in the circuit.
Also I wonder how you might deal with DC drifts.
JFETs are not known to be thermally stable current sources.


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The new circuit will be just two supply rails, although relatively high voltage to get low noise and a large output signal swing. There will be two floating voltages, one of which can be a battery that will last the shelf life (only JFET gate current), another which could be derived from the rails but also could be a battery (stability and noise in that voltage will have a very weak effect on circuit performance).

If a d.c. servo is indicated I can provide one, although JFETs selected for operation at about 600mV away from pinchoff can be quite stable with temperature. But for the particular mirror, it will just need a matched pair (actually a matched cascode, although the upper devices are less critical) in order to do the job at hand*. One of the I-V (or I-I, current conveyor) derived from your circuits will drive a common load resistor for the single ended output. The output of the JFET mirror will be driven from the other polarity conveyor and directly sum as a current in that common load resistor. An additional voltage follower buffer will be optional.

BTW, I think your practice of keeping things balanced all the way to the loudspeaker is the best, for anyone who can manage it

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*I also have a whole bunch of 2SK389V and about 200 2SJ109BL. But I'm favoring the BF862 these days when used in a cascode with something like a process 51 part, after seeing the results that Wurcer and Groner have been getting, even though I need to sort and match them.
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> ... something like a process 51 part ....

Can you give some examples ?


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Isn't the J06 a P51 part?

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