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Old 2nd April 2011, 05:17 AM   #11
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I have CDs which are almost unbearable to listen to without eq, but simply turns into magic when I turn a few dials. Suddenly I could enjoy some fantastic music which I couldn’t before.
Hi Henrik,
I appreciate your enthusiastic post. From unbearable to enjoyment is an experience I am interested in reproducing in my home.
Please list a few examples of your successes to illustrate the process. The disc title, what was unbearable, the specific adjustment with your equipment, and the resulting sound which brought you enjoyment.
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Old 2nd April 2011, 05:33 AM   #12
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Nrik, I agree with You, everyone has free will to choose how his DIY project will look. Nothing bad with copying a product. If some product is good I will copy it also for my self enjoying not for mass production. Go with your project and inform us.
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Maybe rename this to "The low-fi yet moralistic thread"
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Old 2nd April 2011, 07:49 AM   #14
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Maybe rename this to "The low-fi yet moralistic thread"

Them's fightin' words.
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Old 2nd April 2011, 08:23 AM   #15
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Thanks for the support guys.
Jordheis I listen mostly to Swedish/Danish music, which you probably don't know anyway, but here are two good international ones:

Pink Floyd - Animals, a recording from the 70ies with great music but a dark, closed almost claustrophobic sound. By setting the dials: 2kHz -2dB, 5kHz + 4dB, 20kHz +12dB, the recording opens up: The vocal gets clear ( and one can now easily follow the lyrics), the acustics guitars goes from nylon-strings to metal, the drums sounds like you removed some old t-shirts from the hihats etc. The albums gets extremely enjoyable, and I finds myself listening to the end, again and again.

Donald Fagan - The Nightfly. A classic, but it sounds like Mr. Fagan wanted his album to have an 'european' sound on some cheap westcoasts U.S. speakers with a blown midrange. So from thin, sharp sounding with a stereo image that sounds like the bass-player is standing 200 meters away, and the kick-drum in the other room from the rest of the drumkit, I turn: 20Hz +6B, 120Hz +8dB, and 2kHz -2dB.
Again, the results are amazing, the music becomes alive, it has a 'swing' to it, the rythm and the tunes are impossible to listen to without some bodyparts are moving. And now it sound like the whole orchestra is playing in the same room - interacting like only musicians do. Whenever I put this CD on, I usually pres the play-button between 3 and 5 times that day.



Now one could argue that my CD's are badly recorded, from a wrong label, printed in Germany and so on, and that there are this and that super-gold-editions of the same album available which sounds great ( ...because some sound technician dialed HIS eq's and calls it 'remastered'), but this is actually just supporting my point of eq'ing, because:

Not all albums are being re-isued, remastered etc, simply because of lack of economic returns for the record companies. A new edition wouldn't necessarilly sell enough copies, so they leave us 'stuck' on the old ones.
Not to limit your choice of music to the ones that are well recorded was exactly Mark Levinsons point of inventing the Audio Palette. This gives one the freedom to go bananas in all kinds of music-types, in second-hand stores etc. There is a lot of great music out there, and I can go and get it, while people with two-knob-preamps can stay home with their single-instrument test-CDs from hi-fi magazines.
People: Liberate youselves - get an equalizer!

Besides I am in my mid 30'ies, most of my favorite music was recorded on analog tape, originally mastered to be played on LPs and cassettes, where speakers had paper-cones as tweeters and cabinets from low-density particle-wood, and the red Sony walkman without a rewind button was the only music-player for many. Then CD arrived and all these mastertapes were simply put directly on digital, and because of lack of investment returns, and because music has moved on, the vast majority of these mastered-for-analog-medias albums never gets remastered and reissued. Too bad for most people.
...but I am beyond that with my Audio Palette equalizer.


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That's harsh. "kluge type electronics"? I doubt it. The OP took the time to learn about constant-Q equalisation and put it in a nice cabinet. Who cares if the look is reminiscent of the original product if he had a good time building it and it sounds good?
Couldn't agree more. Excellent work.
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Nrik, great work. I wish you success with your project.

As you state the design was from D Burwin

I had the opportunity to hear the Palette in action a couple of times, 25 years ago. The first time was at a demonstration of the Cello system at a show in NYC. Levinson took a recording of the Goldberg Variations recorded by Glenn Gould from the late 50's if I recall correctly. The recording was steely and harsh, listening to the piano was like fingernails on a chalkboard. ouch. Levinson adjusted the Palette and played the same passage. The recording was totally transformed, very listenable you could focus on the performance.

I went to his showroom in NYC a few months later, the room was treated acoustically with RPG diffusers creating a Reflection Free Zone at the listening position. I was able to use the Palette with recording I was familiar with, Jazz Rock and Classical. It was very easy to use and I was able in a few seconds to 'improve' all the recordings, even records I felt were well recorded. I believe the High End Community has really missed the boat not looking to have an eq for 'correcting recordings in your listening space.

When a recording is made think about the amount of eq used in mixing boards (and the number of op amps the signal is exposed to) or in the case of old recordings the limitations of the recording media. Then think about the control room where the mis occurs, different acoustics, different speakers with different freq response. What we hear in our listening rooms isn't ever the same as what the recording engineer and artist was hearing when mixing the recording. This makes a device like the Palette invaluable to music lovers.

BTW D Burwin is still working with Levinson (as well as doing his own sales) Levinson has a new company Daniel Hertz. Burwin is using instead of his Equalizer (the model for the Palette) a Palette done in software called the Burwin Bobcat

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This has the functionality of the Palette, it also treats a digital signal (adding Hi Freq reverb as I understand it to make a digital signal sound better). Levinson was showing a D/A converter at the lase CES show that will bundle in the Bobcat
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Daniel Hertz SA - Switzerland

So your work isn't interfering with anything either person is doing comerically these days.

I look forward to you keeping us up to date on your progress.
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I have never used an equalizer in my setup. I have to recognise that some of recordings are awfull to listen to. Good example is album "Animal" like Nrik mentioned above.
The question is, how do we know the right setup of the equalizer for particular recording.
Many people rather wont use the equalizer in fear they could make things worst.
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I have never used an equalizer in my setup. I have to recognise that some of recordings are awfull to listen to. Good example is album "Animal" like Nrik mentioned above.
The question is, how do we know the right setup of the equalizer for particular recording.
Many people rather wont use the equalizer in fear they could make things worst.




Your ears are the guide. I have audio equipment so I can enjoy music I love. You play the recording and use the tone controls to optimize the recording for your system in your room.

No mistakes to be made, the criteria is your enjoyment of the recording.
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