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23rd October 2012, 05:02 PM  #281 
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Very nice ...of full moons and capacitor rolling

23rd October 2012, 08:18 PM  #282  
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7th December 2012, 01:56 PM  #283 
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Yer right! We want to use discretes
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12th August 2014, 11:01 AM  #284 
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The book is very well written and provides essential information on the subject. Have read articles by R. Elliott and the book by Mr. Self completes the picture on active XO nicely. Thanks a lot for the comprehensive work !

20th September 2015, 10:21 AM  #285 
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Phase oh the sum for LR4

28th September 2015, 07:11 PM  #286 
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I own all your books, since I'm a pro audio designer, they are usefull to me. I've already used come of your solution in design of mine.
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16th April 2016, 02:34 AM  #287 
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I am working on a piece of code to answer the question if we allow the resistors to differ "somewhat" in a SK filter, can we arrive on a more accurate set of resistors to build an adjustable crossover with. Also, what sort of tradeoffs are there between various resistor ranges (e96 versus e24).
My design is fixed gain, using resistors that are "approximately" a ratio of 1 and capacitors that are a ratio of 2, each with 3 choices (100nF, 10nF, 1nF, 47nF, 4.7nF, .47nF). This results in a target Q = 0.707. I'm also assuming I have a list of target frequencies (I have ten values, then I multiply by 10 to cover 25Hz to 20kHz). Here's an example of what my code has found. t: 0.1%, f error range: 0.015% 1.296%, Q error range: 2.578% 3.542%, number of unique resistor values used (e96): 10 t: 6.1%, f error range: 0.015% 0.443%, Q error range: 2.571% 3.535%, number of unique resistor values used (e96): 18 So, t is the percentage that two resistors are allowed to vary from each other (with the constraint that the resulting resistors are available in the series (e96) specified), then a range of frequency errors (from target) and a range of Q errors (from target) and the total number of different resistor values needed to produce the combinations. So, my question is  is there any thing else I should be interested in considering, during these "experiments"? How much variance in Q is acceptable, at the expense of a more accurate frequency value? Are there other unintended consequences of having the resistor values "differ somewhat"? (Obviously as the two values diverge, it impacts Q, so there's a very clear limit to what combinations should be considered) 
16th April 2016, 10:05 AM  #288 
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the errors in capacitor value are not mentioned.
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16th April 2016, 01:03 PM  #289 
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That could be easily modeled. As it turns out, the easiest way to deal with this might be adding a fourth capacitor at yet one more power of 10 down. This could then be placed in parallel with the other values as needed. Once actual values were chosen, then they could be measured and then a chart could be made on when exactly to engage more than one capacitor, including this fourth "adjustment" capacitor. I could also run the simulation with a random element. The capacitors I plan on using is a type not mentioned in the book (but I would be curious if perhaps Doug would measure some!)  Rifa/EVOX MKI which are metalized polypropylene sulfide capacitors which are +/ 10%, which could be matched. For some values I would use EXFS polystyrene made by LCR components are +/ 1%. 
19th May 2016, 02:50 AM  #290 
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Similarly, for the adjustable HPF. To maintain unity gain and a target Q of .707, we need resistors in a ratio of 2. But what if we let them vary slightly? Obviously the more the resistors vary, the further from our target Q we will be. However, we can get closer accuracy to a given frequency target, if there is some wiggle room.
In this output, t is the amount the two values can differ from the ideal ratio of 2:1 as a percentage of the second resistor. So, 0.001 means the values vary from 2:.99 to 2:1.01, subject to the constraint of a valid resistor in the series. Things converge nicely around about 5% allowable variance. t: 0.001, f error range: 0.014% 60.014%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.113%, unique resistors (e24): 9 t: 0.001, f error range: 0.017% 34.032%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.113%, unique resistors (e96): 18 t: 0.006, f error range: 0.014% 60.014%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.113%, unique resistors (e24): 9 t: 0.006, f error range: 0.017% 1.010%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.266%, unique resistors (e96): 15 t: 0.011, f error range: 0.014% 60.014%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.551%, unique resistors (e24): 8 t: 0.011, f error range: 0.017% 1.010%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.266%, unique resistors (e96): 15 t: 0.016, f error range: 0.014% 60.014%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.551%, unique resistors (e24): 8 t: 0.016, f error range: 0.017% 1.010%, Q error range: 0.000% 0.266%, unique resistors (e96): 15 t: 0.021, f error range: 0.014% 32.472%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.159%, unique resistors (e24): 13 t: 0.021, f error range: 0.017% 0.906%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.055%, unique resistors (e96): 14 t: 0.026, f error range: 0.014% 32.472%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.255%, unique resistors (e24): 14 t: 0.026, f error range: 0.017% 0.517%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.196%, unique resistors (e96): 14 t: 0.031, f error range: 0.014% 15.590%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.482%, unique resistors (e24): 16 t: 0.031, f error range: 0.017% 0.517%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.338%, unique resistors (e96): 15 t: 0.036, f error range: 0.014% 7.742%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.626%, unique resistors (e24): 15 t: 0.036, f error range: 0.017% 0.517%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.338%, unique resistors (e96): 15 t: 0.041, f error range: 0.003% 6.217%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.869%, unique resistors (e24): 16 t: 0.041, f error range: 0.017% 0.517%, Q error range: 0.000% 1.976%, unique resistors (e96): 17 t: 0.046, f error range: 0.003% 5.828%, Q error range: 0.000% 2.342%, unique resistors (e24): 14 t: 0.046, f error range: 0.003% 0.517%, Q error range: 0.000% 2.283%, unique resistors (e96): 18 
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