"...the best preamplifier ever made" says Mr. David Price, Hi-Fi- World

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I've heard one in a high end very revealing system and I would say that yes, it is very good indeed. However, I don't think its the best preamp ever made by a long shot. My own aikido valve pre was at least as good. The pass DCB1 with standard parts would probably be as good as well. I find it very hard indeed to move from an active preamp. In factit severely calls into doubt Mr. Price's listening experience or credibility if he said that.

So not worth the cash I would think. FWIW, the copper based model is somewhere around STG£1200-1500 and the silver based one is more at about STG£2500 I think. Not sure exactly what the reference has that the others don't with the exception of remote control for selection and volume. Handles nicely though and they will custom wire things like home theatre pass throughs etc etc. I just don't know about long lead lengths etc

Georges Lightspeed is so incredibly much more value its not funny.

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Well, the comparison is not that simple. The TVC can actually work as stand alone preamp, offering 6dB gain, high input impedance and low output impedance, it can be wired for phase reversing and unbalanced to balanced (and opposite) conversion, all without any additional active circuitry.

Can your Lightspeed do all that?
 
As I've been using those transformers for last 5 years, I can assure you that comparison is not that simple.

The sound of particular units varied and depended not only on the version (MK1 - MK3) but also on production run, wiring etc.

In sound wise comparisons, the associated equipment had substantial influence on overall effect. Some people didn't like it at all with SS amps while raving about applications with tube electronics. BTW, copper version sounded much better than silver, I had both and both had been reviewed by 6moons.

£7,500 is irrelevant here, those transformers cost approx $500 directly from a source, if you can still get them. Whatever else is done with them is up to end user.

Who needs gain? Well, whoever uses amps with low gain or low efficiency speakers, and not everybody uses CD.

In my application, 6db is exactly what I need (12dB on the amp and 95dB on speakers, output stage bypassed in a DAC)
 
As I've been using those transformers for last 5 years, I can assure you that comparison is not that simple.

The sound of particular units varied and depended not only on the version (MK1 - MK3) but also on production run, wiring etc.

In sound wise comparisons, the associated equipment had substantial influence on overall effect. Some people didn't like it at all with SS amps while raving about applications with tube electronics. BTW, copper version sounded much better than silver, I had both and both had been reviewed by 6moons.

£7,500 is irrelevant here, those transformers cost approx $500 directly from a source, if you can still get them. Whatever else is done with them is up to end user.

Who needs gain? Well, whoever uses amps with low gain or low efficiency speakers, and not everybody uses CD.

In my application, 6db is exactly what I need (12dB on the amp and 95dB on speakers, output stage bypassed in a DAC)

would you buy one right now Peter ? I think what he is trying to say is that 7500E, is a little pricey.
 
Not sure exactly what the reference has that the others don't with the exception of remote control for selection and volume.

Well, from a review it looks like the new design has double the steps (46 instead of 23), 25% more Permalloy in their cores and some new geometry.

George I didn't catch it initially, did you actually compared the new Reference model?
 
didn't I say 'built differently'?

I always miss checking Forum mail. Talking about chassis, this is how Sowther TVC version looks like in that chassis (with remote and balance controls):
 

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George I didn't catch it initially, did you actually compared the new Reference model?

The one they compared, was this one they sent me the link to. They said it was veiled in comparison and lacked the detail and dynamics of the Lightspeed Attenuator.

Hi]Hi Fi Guy - Hi Fi Guy Products - Category - Pre-Amplifier - Music First Reference

I say no wonder look at all the switch contacts in the one you posted, not to mention the couple of hundred meters of fine wire the signal has to run through inside the transformers, this is what the Lightspeed Attenuator is all about, no contacts between cdp and poweramp, just one soldered resistor per channel.


Cheers George
 
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Interesting remark. I find these particular switches as transparent as anything.

Yes but not as transparent as no contacts!
Look at the wiper arm of those switches, they have to be dished to be able to ride up from contact to contact, this means a surface area of a couple of thou, and there's three of them per channel, and they would have to be also very light pressure as not to wear out the (soft) arm itself or the (soft) contacts, I say (soft) as that's what is the best metal conductor, brass/copper or gold plated brass or similar, then there is the lubricant used to let them slide.
And if that's not the problem you have hundreds of meters of hair thin wire for the poor signal to travel along in those transformers, you may as well have interconnects 100 mts long.

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Beauty for sound quality is not in how a mechanical device looks with all it's glitz and glamour, but in how it behaves under the fast rise time of real music signal. And for that no contacts are the best.

Cheers George
 
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I own a Shallco with remote control with all Shinkoh resistors in an Erno Borbely Balanced Line-Amp & I can assure is the best switches ever made.

Right LDR have no contacts, that's a good issue but there is other importants issues like: what about LDR noise, I heard bad comments about this?

I agree that TVC have a lot of cables & for this reason an anothers that I dislike TVCs with or without gain but is really a good alternative for guys without vinyl the TVCs with 6 dBs gain is enough to send the signal to the amps but I prefer also in this case the Shallco with Shinkoh over the TVCs with gain.

Another big issues is the price: switch + resistor is more affordable than goods TVCs.

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Right LDR have no contacts, that's a good issue but there is other importants issues like: what about LDR noise, I heard bad comments about this?

Merlin El Mago

I don't were you got this information or heard it.
This is one of the Lightspeed Attenuator's hallmarks, an absolute lack of background noise, it has the blackest background you will (not) hear.

The Lightspeed Attenuator as I supply them has less measured noise than my top end Tektronics scope can measure, and that is 10uV, which is quieter than any pre I have measured.
This is why the power supply in my production Lightspeed Attenuator has first, a 12vdc regulated "linear" wall wart supply and then a 5vdc regulated internal supply.
Sure if some of the DIYer's start using smp supplies these are going to be nosier, as far as I'm concerned smp supplies have no place in this application, or any other high end audiophile product.

Cheers George
 
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I don't were you got this information or heard it.
This is one of the Lightspeed Attenuator's hallmarks, an absolute lack of background noise, it has the blackest background you will (not) hear.

The Lightspeed Attenuator as I supply them has less measured noise than my top end Tektronics scope can measure, and that is 10uV, which is quieter than any pre I have measured.
This is why the power supply in my production Lightspeed Attenuator has first, a 12vdc regulated "linear" wall wart supply and then a 5vdc regulated internal supply.
Sure if some of the DIYer's start using smp supplies these are going to be nosier, as far as I'm concerned smp supplies have no place in this application, or any other high end audiophile product.

Cheers George


Well said, and Couldn't agree more.!
 
Yes but not as transparent as no contacts!
Look at the wiper arm of those switches, they have to be dished to be able to ride up from contact to contact, this means a surface area of a couple of thou, and there's three of them per channel, and they would have to be also very light pressure as not to wear out the (soft) arm itself or the (soft) contacts, I say (soft) as that's what is the best metal conductor, brass/copper or gold plated brass or similar, then there is the lubricant used to let them slide.
And if that's not the problem you have hundreds of meters of hair thin wire for the poor signal to travel along in those transformers, you may as well have interconnects 100 mts long.

Well, even with Lightspeed, you still need a switch for source selecting and you can't eliminate RCA connectors unless you solder cables directly, so complaining here about contacts is rather out of place.

And how about 100 of mts of wire in speaker crossover coils, not to mention transformers in PS of active electronics;)

I did actually compare TVC to direct connection (no attenuator at all) and in my experience there was no obvious sound degradation.
 
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well ...... I made some comparisons between commercial made AVCs , TVCs and PSM lightspeed .

all I can say is - to each his own . differences are matter of taste .

xformers have own virtues , PSM LS is brutal in resolution and transparency , but I can't say that one is better than other .

matter of taste .

edit : just read what PD wrote ;
not as plus for LS camp , because I'm not in any camp here - it's easy to make awesome selector with LDRs ;
even minimum resistance , residual in LDR by construction , is lesser evil than mechanical contact .... be it gold on gold or even some unobtanium .
 
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