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Old 9th February 2010, 01:53 AM   #3651
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Sorry. It saved out with a capital S on Simon and when I put up the URL here, I used lower case.

It's fixed so it can be grabbed from either URL.

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Old 9th February 2010, 02:26 AM   #3652
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Thanks Dimitri, my Microsoft Word won't open it for some reason.
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Old 9th February 2010, 09:11 AM   #3653
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Thanks Dimitri, my Microsoft Word won't open it for some reason.
Download the newest version from Microsoft.
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Old 9th February 2010, 10:17 AM   #3654
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I do not understand why resistor 'distortion' of some -145dB 2nd or 3rd harmonic matters, though active element distortion of -40dB (tube) is just fine. This (-145dB 3rd) is hardly a case of any sound difference.
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Old 9th February 2010, 03:23 PM   #3655
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No, I was having drinks with Kirkland and the guys from ESS in Los Alos.

The distortion will increase at lower frequency because of less thermal averaging. I repeat a good thermal model and separation of real voltage coefficient from the thermal effects would be very useful.
Do you have a good thermal model! ? Right now is just play time. My feel says tinker around until something pops out at you.

I suspect that I am not finding any unexpected voltage discontinuity effects.


Pavel,

The 145db decreases as you go down in frequency. I am now using 333 hz as my test frequency.

The hearing threshold is around -10db at 3khz. Un-equalized music has about 10db more energy at 300 compared to 3k so there should be at least a 20db compensation factor for a 9th harmonic under those conditions. Some folks even put a 10-20 db boost on the low end!

My design goal as mentioned before is 160 db for the entire system. I would like individual components to be better than that.
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Old 9th February 2010, 05:57 PM   #3656
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Simon, I think that IF you really approached thermal problems from a transient point of view, you would find much more of a problem than by measuring with continuous tones.
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Old 9th February 2010, 06:16 PM   #3657
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Simon -

masking, and usable instantaneous dynamic.
Maybe you might like to follow John's advice.

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Old 9th February 2010, 09:42 PM   #3658
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My design goal as mentioned before is 160 db for the entire system. I would like individual components to be better than that.[/QUOTE]

Hello Simon,

What happens when you put a couple of resistors in series, the THD must obviously be reduced. This surely must be a solution to this problem.

I respect your high standards for THD performance.

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Old 10th February 2010, 12:07 AM   #3659
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Old 10th February 2010, 02:59 AM   #3660
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It is interesting that putting the resistors in series would potentially reduce the distortion.
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