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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: away
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Any modification of the ground loop path will modify the system. Flux loop trapping is the culprit here, not any material properties of the cables. As to the micro-diode discussion which I won't quote anyone specific... A wire inductance is comprised of two parts..the internal inductance which at DC is 15 nH per foot, and the external proximity based inductance, which is typically 160 to 180 nH per foot. If the interstrand resistance is high, there will be a direct impact on internal inductance up to a total of 30 nh per foot (2 wires). The more oxide, the higher the internal inductance because the orthogonal conductivity is broken. Also, the more interstrand resistance, the closer to symmetry the internal currents of the wire will be, so external inductance will not change as much vs frequency. If you suspect a poor oxidised multistrand cable, run a few amperes through it at 20 Khz, and look for high order harmonic hash. If anybody suspects a cable as doing any bad things as a result of oxide, just test the darn thing. Do an Ls/Rs sweep from 20 hz to half a Mhz..get yourself a 4284A.. Oh, almost forgot...the speaker end zobel? It is good, and a simple consequence of applying t-line theory to a speaker cable. jn |
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Prague, Kitakyushu, Fukuoka
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Ground loops (even those that are capacitively coupled), ground currents, shield currents, RFI, EMI, field induced noises - that's all the magic of the cables, and I agree, cables do make a difference.
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: berkeley ca
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Richard Marsh and Walt Jung wrote an article on contacts, as I recall, in about 1980, in TAA or was it AUDIO?
We all went into learning mode as to how to make better connections, both permanent and temporary. Around this time, I recall Apple Computer making a BIG MISTAKE in their product. They made the Apple II computer with a number of gold plated plug-in slots, so that accessories, including extra memory could be added. Unfortunately they FORGOT to gold plate the plug in board connections, so you had a gold-tin interface. In a relatively short period of time, the connections failed, but the board function could be recovered by just cleaning them and putting them back. Cramolin was first brought out to address problems like this. Later, it was pressed into audio service. I use it on my bench, and have done so for the last 30 years (give or take a couple of years). Last edited by john curl; 19th November 2012 at 01:58 PM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: berkeley ca
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Originally, there was Cramolin Red, the active cleaner. Then there was also Cramolin Blue, a preservative, for the most part. Today, we use DeoxIT from Caig labs, a less effective but useful cleaner.
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Blackburn, Lancs
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Last edited by QSerraTico_Tico; 19th November 2012 at 03:09 PM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: berkeley ca
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Very close schematic. Thanks, QSerra...
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Prague, Kitakyushu, Fukuoka
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Wow, that's my simulation!
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: berkeley ca
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Good work, PMA.
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