Oh, please, this had been discussed ad nauseam: apart your musical 'culture', how can-you discriminate what is a noise and what is a signal !
Objectivists Are Buttheads ?....
Thanks Frank, I could not have said it better my self......actually i was but not quite so directly.
Dan.
Thanks Frank, I could not have said it better my self......actually i was but not quite so directly.
Dan.
Max and Frank,
I'll let you in on a secret. I have this special black box that goes on your fuel injection line. What it does is that is changes the molecular chains in the gas. When they enter your engine the longer chains burn with a higher heat output therefor increasing your horsepower and torque. But it is a special kind of power. You can feel it in the seat of your pants when you step hard on the pedal, it is just that extra bit more power than you had before. Now you can't measure this power on a dynamometer, they are just not sensitive enough to measure this special kind of power. You just have to feel it to believe, most people are just to insensitive to even tell the difference though. But I gotta tell you it will cost you plenty to buy one of these but they are so worth it!
I'll let you in on a secret. I have this special black box that goes on your fuel injection line. What it does is that is changes the molecular chains in the gas. When they enter your engine the longer chains burn with a higher heat output therefor increasing your horsepower and torque. But it is a special kind of power. You can feel it in the seat of your pants when you step hard on the pedal, it is just that extra bit more power than you had before. Now you can't measure this power on a dynamometer, they are just not sensitive enough to measure this special kind of power. You just have to feel it to believe, most people are just to insensitive to even tell the difference though. But I gotta tell you it will cost you plenty to buy one of these but they are so worth it!
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You Can Run But You Can't Hide....
Dan.
I will be in Brisbane in July....it might be fun to butt heads, lol.
Dan.
JC, how about you tell us in YOUR own words what happened to the circuit you posted as phono.pdf and who criticised it and what did they say.
Are you telling us now that it wasn't criticised and it received rave reviews?
Once we've sorted out historical issues, we can embark on the technica l review of phono.pdf and Blowtorch. 🙂
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Apart from demonstrating JC's ignorance of Fourier & other basic matters, I'm not sure what the argument about DC is about. Is the Bybee device meant to reduce these evil effects?
Or is it just another smoke screen to obfuscate matters?
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JC, are you claiming that Blowtorch and your other designs have the same technical and aural merit as Mr. Bybee's devices? 😱
If so, I think many of your detractors will melt away .. 😀
Max, can you tell us who this august personage is?
BTW, the test JC describes and you quote is called THD testing.
Ferrite Sounds Bad IMHO...
IME, conventional cable clip on ferrite filters produce subtle audio effects when clipped onto power, signal and/or speaker cables.
I have in the past used 'Diffmaker' to differentiate the alteration of signal caused by these filters but ran into problems caused by non sufficiently stable clocking of the USB audio interface that I used at the time.
This caused drift between two recordings such that only 15 seconds or so of a 3 minute recording was sufficiently time aligned to provide deep enough nulling.
Data sheets indicate that these typical ferrite filters should have no effect at audio frequencies, but in my experience they do cause audible alteration, that is quantifiable given the appropriate test conditions.
I am suggesting that BQP's may similarly cause quantifiable results (residual) when using appropriate test methodology.
It is the residual that needs to be discriminated and then analysed.
Dan.
IME, conventional cable clip on ferrite filters produce subtle audio effects when clipped onto power, signal and/or speaker cables.
I have in the past used 'Diffmaker' to differentiate the alteration of signal caused by these filters but ran into problems caused by non sufficiently stable clocking of the USB audio interface that I used at the time.
This caused drift between two recordings such that only 15 seconds or so of a 3 minute recording was sufficiently time aligned to provide deep enough nulling.
Data sheets indicate that these typical ferrite filters should have no effect at audio frequencies, but in my experience they do cause audible alteration, that is quantifiable given the appropriate test conditions.
I am suggesting that BQP's may similarly cause quantifiable results (residual) when using appropriate test methodology.
It is the residual that needs to be discriminated and then analysed.
Dan.
If you could, you would violate Second Law locally. This happens all the time, but requires entropy to increase somewhere else to balance it out. Makes ya wonder where the entropy is squirting out. Is this thing cold to the touch?
Thanks,
Chris
Max's clever pun....
in the same way subjectivists are delusional? to separate the 2 is quite funny really.
just be happy in your belief it makes things sound better if you cannot accept that enough has been done to prove the already obvious nonsense product. thats all that matters right?
loving the veiled threat btw, is that the last resort? stylish... you do understand the term 'Bop' right?
the test you describe seems reasonable, but to suggest that at this stage nothing would have been uncovered to even hint at further testing being needed is the ridiculous and frustrating part.
now if only we could come up with a kind of meditation/hypnosis CD that had the same effect... then we would not have all that expense of the Quantum tunneling and laser welding
Kindhornman: yep, only 200-1500km away (his location is quite general, our states are huge)
Frank, the only closed minds here are the ones not willing/too embarrassed to change their position in the face of obvious and exhaustive proof its a scam (even before cracking one open). Subjective response is perfectly valid as long as it is accepted as such. The problems start when 'technical' justifications are made, but claimed to be beyond current testing methodologies and equipment, while being audible.
in the same way subjectivists are delusional? to separate the 2 is quite funny really.
just be happy in your belief it makes things sound better if you cannot accept that enough has been done to prove the already obvious nonsense product. thats all that matters right?
loving the veiled threat btw, is that the last resort? stylish... you do understand the term 'Bop' right?
the test you describe seems reasonable, but to suggest that at this stage nothing would have been uncovered to even hint at further testing being needed is the ridiculous and frustrating part.
now if only we could come up with a kind of meditation/hypnosis CD that had the same effect... then we would not have all that expense of the Quantum tunneling and laser welding
Kindhornman: yep, only 200-1500km away (his location is quite general, our states are huge)
Frank, the only closed minds here are the ones not willing/too embarrassed to change their position in the face of obvious and exhaustive proof its a scam (even before cracking one open). Subjective response is perfectly valid as long as it is accepted as such. The problems start when 'technical' justifications are made, but claimed to be beyond current testing methodologies and equipment, while being audible.
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Real music has a dynamic DC component just like Richard says. It has been measured, and written about. It is the FUNDAMENTAL factor in detecting dielectric absorption in Walt's, Scott's and my testing of caps, back in the middle '80's.
kgrlee: Lenehan Audio uses them I believe...
Max: John has already denied there is any kind of ferrite or inductor also didnt you see the pictures of the premium model cracked open a few pages ago, posted by John?
Max: John has already denied there is any kind of ferrite or inductor also didnt you see the pictures of the premium model cracked open a few pages ago, posted by John?
Max, thanks for keeping an open mind. However, they are expensive, and getting them to Australia would be a problem. They are not a fake, I have taken them apart, myself. Nobody could make what I have seen inside in their garage.
I well know what THD testing is and how it works, thank you.
IME Sinewave THD testing does not show any reliable quantifiable result when measuring system effects due to ferrite filters at audio frequencies, however real world loopback music testing does reveal effects.
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Russel Storey is 61 yo, has spent his lifetime involved in audio/video electronic repairs, retailing and manufacturing.
In our conversation he stated that he has tried just about every tweak available, in order to form his own opinions.
Five years ago he first tried the BQP's and in his words the change was 'jaw dropping'.
His opinion of many tweaks is they don't work, his strongly stated opinion of the BQP is 'they work'.
Dan.
this thread has possibilities ...
quantum theory is acknowleged ...
obviously inviting metaphsics into
the mix ....
it may be time to break ' snake oil '
down into its constituents .... 🙂
quantum theory is acknowleged ...
obviously inviting metaphsics into
the mix ....
it may be time to break ' snake oil '
down into its constituents .... 🙂
SY: Cal did subjective testing right? he was very interested and had an open mind I believe... he didnt report any Jaw-dropping? guess his ears, music or equipment is not up to the task of discerning said jaw dropping experiences...
My Post Was About Ferrite...
Dan.
Perhaps you need to read my post again, and completely.....I am not suggesting that BQP contains ferrite (I already understand that it does not)....I am relating a different device that should not affect audio, but in my experience it does.
Dan.
That's the same reason one tries to minimize 2nd harmonic in tape recorder AC bias oslillator. With larg-ish amount of 2nd (=DC) the byproduct of it is very noisy and unpleasant recording.
EDIT - with different bias anf erase frequencies you almost never see 2:1or 4:1 ratios of these, mostly 3:1.
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