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Old 27th April 2017, 08:57 PM   #11
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Today I had the chance to bring my Maya amp into work and compare it to some other gear that was on hand. I had not powered any other speakers other than my JBL 4367's, so I was curious to hear it powering something else.

The favorite gear at the store is the Classé stuff. We didn't bother hooking it to the McIntosh stuff, as other than the 275 and the tube preamp, the average impression of the rest of the Mac gear is generally"meh".

The speakers used were the B&W 802D3's. We started off listening to the Classé amp and preamp to get an idea. After a little bit we replaced the Classé CA-2300 with the Maya and played the same tracks again.
Four of us did the listening. One is a drummer in a local band, two are salesmen at the store and we are all Audio enthusiasts.

To sum it up because I'm not much of a writer, the Maya was more musical, engaging and overall revealing of harmonic content than the big Classé amp. The only area where the Classé was subjectively superior to the Maya while playing the B&W's was perhaps the overall bass output in that room. The quality and tone of the bass as well as everything else was superior on the Maya though. Of course the Classé is 50% more powerful at 300WPC compared to the Maya's 200WPC.

What a fun morning! What a great amplifier Hugh!!! I feel so fortunate to have it.
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Old 28th April 2017, 02:12 AM   #12
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Well, Pierre, this is a revelation, thank you very much for taking the time and effort to take on a compare in a very unusual AB test; I would never have an opportunity of trying the Classe amp, almost none in Oz, so your words are manna from heaven!

The tonal structure, clarity and spatial qualities of the Maya will push it above many amps using conventional topology. I am aware that bass is very difficult to emphasis on audio amps; it seems to be a very complex, subjective issue, not easily related to the circuit design. I take that point on board, but you note the quality of the overall presentation of the bass, as well as the mid and top, is still outstanding. I honestly think that the Maya is my masterpiece (and a lot of help from good friends in the background!), but it would only be arrogance to imagine that it could not be even better...... that's the nature of high end audio, and long may it remain, because it is an intellectual and practical bar that constantly rises as we take our eyes of it!!

How much is the Classe, Pierre? I have the feeling it's an elegant version of the beautifully built Bryston top model, is that correct?

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Old 28th April 2017, 02:57 AM   #13
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Hi Hugh,
The CA-2300 is $7500USD here. Of course, there is a new model arriving in a couple of months,(with a corresponding price hike) so don't rest on your laurels!

I think the disparity of the perceived bass output between the two amps is more attributable to the huge difference in power between them. The B&W's are power hungry and truly blossom when played with big burly amps.
I have played my JBL's terrifyingly loud with the Maya without apparent strain. The neighbors can attest to the huge bass output.

The drummer who was present for the comparison commented several times how realistic the drums and bass guitar sounded. He had never heard better according to him.

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Old 28th April 2017, 03:54 AM   #14
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i had a similar issue of less bass compared to my rotel. my usher speakers are also power hungry and low efficiency 86db. then i did some experiment with speaker placement and i have found the bass cancellation happens with previous placement. as all who heard maya
i am also very happy with the sound quality . compared to rotel now the bass is only 10% less but the quality of bass compensates for this.
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Old 28th April 2017, 04:13 AM   #15
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Today I had the chance to bring my Maya amp into work and compare it to some other gear that was on hand. I had not powered any other speakers other than my JBL 4367's, so I was curious to hear it powering something else.

The favorite gear at the store is the Classé stuff. We didn't bother hooking it to the McIntosh stuff, as other than the 275 and the tube preamp, the average impression of the rest of the Mac gear is generally"meh".

The speakers used were the B&W 802D3's. We started off listening to the Classé amp and preamp to get an idea. After a little bit we replaced the Classé CA-2300 with the Maya and played the same tracks again.
Four of us did the listening. One is a drummer in a local band, two are salesmen at the store and we are all Audio enthusiasts.

To sum it up because I'm not much of a writer, the Maya was more musical, engaging and overall revealing of harmonic content than the big Classé amp. The only area where the Classé was subjectively superior to the Maya while playing the B&W's was perhaps the overall bass output in that room. The quality and tone of the bass as well as everything else was superior on the Maya though. Of course the Classé is 50% more powerful at 300WPC compared to the Maya's 200WPC.

What a fun morning! What a great amplifier Hugh!!! I feel so fortunate to have it.
I have helped with a lot of aspects of the Maya amplifier and know it quite well. I always felt it could hold it's own with many of the considered best amplifiers. I've always also liked the big B&W speakers like the 802's. Nice to know the Maya performed well with these speakers as the B&W's are a considerable price multiple of the Maya.
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Old 28th April 2017, 04:27 PM   #16
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IIIhhhhccc !!! Nice move Fitero ! The Classé is no sleek!

I sense a troubling troll desire for pluggin my Mayas to the Amati speakers...

Must breathe....be calm....have a pint..... Almost there

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Old 28th April 2017, 05:01 PM   #17
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As a testament to Hugh's great knowledge, my tweaked
Aksa 100 has not sweat driving my ML Odyssey speakers
to full volume and why am I still using the Aksa which I've
2 sets, there's something beautiful in Hugh's design.
Will try out the Saksa when Im done with my tweaks.

Cheers & enjoy Hughs wonderful design
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Old 28th April 2017, 05:03 PM   #18
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Filipe why the wait?! Those beautiful cases are still empty?!!! The store is supposed to begin carrying Sonus Faber speakers....I am not looking forward to it as I don't need the temptation at this stage of my life.

Curiously, even though the store I work for sells B&W speakers mostly, I have never cared for them up until the new D3 series. I don't find them musical. The new D3 series I like however. I always preferred the Dynaudio or PMC speakers that we also sell/sold.

It is interesting and comforting that you too have noticed the same thing I did with regard to the bass output R.Suresh.
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Old 28th April 2017, 05:20 PM   #19
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May I share a little tweak with you guys. If you find that your speakers
have less bass pls raise it up fron the floor start with 50mm high.
Try it without prejudice & you be the judge. For stand mounted speakers
do the same but instead of from the floor raise the speakers from the top
plate where the speaker rest on.

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Old 29th April 2017, 02:44 AM   #20
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Thanks for the suggestion sumotan. I always thought that the closer the bass driver was to the floor or wall, the more the bass output. In my case however, I don't need more bass. I made crude 19cm risers for my speakers which I believe made the output more pleasant.

The room that I did the comparison in has always been very hard to make bass in, regardless of speaker placement. Other rooms in the store are much better. However, the Maya made slightly less bass with those speakers than the 50% more powerful Classé. I'll take quality over quantity.
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