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Old 11th February 2013, 08:54 PM   #11
Sjef is offline Sjef  Netherlands
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Hi Jens,

Are you going for a holiday or on a buisiness trip ?

Ayways, do not feel obliged in any way.
I am in town in that period.
Would be nice to here the Naksa's.

Just recently I realized that I have been running in circles for the last 7 years. My system always returns into the state it was 7 years ago despite the introduction of class d amps, hemp cone drivers, raal ribbons, and more of the latest fashion. Didn't like all of them. The JBL woofer/ Phy mid and AMT combination might not be perfect but it is the most fatigue free system I can come up with. That's my main criterium. Other combination had more defenition, some had more dynamics or better lowmid performance but in the end I keep coming back to my lightweight alnico drivers (very low Rms, that's the secret I guess)

What atracts me to the NAKSA's is the fact that they where designed with that very same criterium in mind, fatigue free listening to music. yes, let us all not forget it's all about the music and nothing else. But afterall, hearing before buying would be great.
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Old 12th February 2013, 10:21 AM   #12
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Hi Jens,

Are you going for a holiday or on a buisiness trip ?

Ayways, do not feel obliged in any way.
I am in town in that period.
Would be nice to here the Naksa's.

Just recently I realized that I have been running in circles for the last 7 years. My system always returns into the state it was 7 years ago despite the introduction of class d amps, hemp cone drivers, raal ribbons, and more of the latest fashion. Didn't like all of them. The JBL woofer/ Phy mid and AMT combination might not be perfect but it is the most fatigue free system I can come up with. That's my main criterium. Other combination had more defenition, some had more dynamics or better lowmid performance but in the end I keep coming back to my lightweight alnico drivers (very low Rms, that's the secret I guess)

What atracts me to the NAKSA's is the fact that they where designed with that very same criterium in mind, fatigue free listening to music. yes, let us all not forget it's all about the music and nothing else. But afterall, hearing before buying would be great.
Hi Sjef,

Yes, this is a business trip - which is also why there are still some uncertainties about it.

I agree with your sentiments about systems - it is only you who can decide for your system how you want it to sound, and it is usually necessary to prioritise some aspects, because even with the best drivers there are always some sort of compromises.

Please be aware that I will only be able to bring one NAKSA70, but since this a stereo module, we should be able to try it out on both the mid and top of your system, just not at the same time

Cheers,

Jens
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Old 12th February 2013, 07:41 PM   #13
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Hi Jens,

Profuse thanks, Sir! You are being kind to me - and to Sjef.

Cheers,

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Old 13th February 2013, 12:40 AM   #14
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Just recently I realized that I have been running in circles for the last 7 years. My system always returns into the state it was 7 years ago despite the introduction of class d amps, hemp cone drivers, raal ribbons, and more of the latest fashion. Didn't like all of them. The JBL woofer/ Phy mid and AMT combination might not be perfect but it is the most fatigue free system I can come up with. That's my main criterium. Other combination had more definition, some had more dynamics or better lowmid performance but in the end I keep coming back to my lightweight alnico drivers (very low Rms, that's the secret I guess)

What atracts me to the NAKSAs is the fact that they were designed with that very same criterion in mind, fatigue free listening to music. yes, let us all not forget it's all about the music and nothing else. But after all, hearing before buying would be great.
Can I make a suggestion, Sjef, given your "running in circles" and your search for "fatigue free listening to music".

I can listen to my music system all day (although I don't often get the chance to listen for more than a couple of hours!) - no listening fatigue at all. I have active Magneplanars, driven by Hugh's amps (but not NAKSAs, as I need 6 mono amp modules) - so can I suggest after hearing Jen's NAKSA on your system, you audition some Maggies? (There are certainly some Dutch inmates on the Planar Asylum, even if there isn't a Maggie dealer in Amsterdam.)

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Old 13th February 2013, 08:22 PM   #15
Sjef is offline Sjef  Netherlands
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Hi Jens,

Yes I know it's only one stereo module but that's enough to get an impression of the amp.

Hi Andy,

I'm not in the search for a fatigue free listening system. I would like to ugrade my system while maintaining the fatigue freeness of it. That's allready hard enough. These are parameters that are almost impossible to measure. Hugh seems to understand this in amp design, or at least part of it. that's why I'm so curious about them.
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Old 7th March 2015, 11:08 PM   #16
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Not a particularly helpful post in the NAKSA forum, I have to say...... if I were Bose, I would think carefully about your post!

However, Sjef, I have many people who love the NAKSA, and have written a great deal of praise of the implementation. Johnny Darko at digitalaudioreview thought it very, very good and he is at least as experienced as anyone.

Nontheless, bear in mind that I am constantly improving my amps, and the latest, the 80, is outstanding. Can I suggest your disillusioned audiophiles tastes might enjoy this amplifier tremendously?

Thank you for your post. Disappointing, but your considered opinion. Despite buying NAKSA 70s at a low cost, and not from me, you seem to be happy to diss the product in its own forum. Would you like this if you were in my situation?

Ciao,

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Old 7th March 2015, 11:34 PM   #17
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hi Hugh,

thanks for your reply. I in by means want to diss the NAKSA, I just want to give my unbiased opinion. Well I was biased at first because I really wanted to like them. I was at the point of bying them from you when I got the offer to buy a pair second so that the seller could buy your NAKSA 80's wich he did and would have never done if he couldn't sell the 70's in the first place. Where did you think all the old NAKSA 70's went from customers who switched to the NAKSA80 ? In the dustbin. No, people upgrade, people sell to afford the upgrade. So the more you develop the more second hand amps are going to be around.

Anyways, I understand you are not waiting on a negative review and like I said, things go slowly here nowadays and I guess there must be something wrong because I cannot believe that they can't sound any better then this. I will figure it out. Offcoarse you are making progress in amplifier design but this design had such a high claims of it's quality, these claims if true should easily survive 5 years in audio. Why on earth would it otherwise be possible that it gets beaten by a 30 year old design (The Hiraga). Again, something must be wrong in my case and I'm on to. The amps where on the shelf for quite some time due to the illness of my girlfriend but now I have time again

I don't want to get in the way of you buiseness so if you want I'll just delete my posts, no problem whatsoever. It's not my intention to diss ASPEN, I only post my findings. And I just want to figure out what the hell went wrong, did you really think I wanted to write a negative review, no absolutely not. If i would to sell the NAKSA's again people will google them and will find this review. So it's in my own interest to get this figured out.

Just asked the moderator to delete my last two messages, don't want to get in the way of your business. Will report new review in other forum when things are sorted out

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Old 8th March 2015, 12:13 AM   #18
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Sjef,

Thank you for the reply, you were very clear and I see what you are coming from, and very polite. Nothing will be deleted. Thanks for that...... it is very easy in the forums to break out WW Three, and you avoided this with respect.

I am a small outfit and most of my profits are poured into R&D. In recent years the market has been dominated by Far East product, and the only way to go forward in a high cost country like Australia is to try to be ahead of the technology, which very soon are absorbed in the public domain, coming back to us in Ebay for $20 pcbs! All I can say is that I believe I AM in the front runners, I DO have outstanding amps, and that I continue to expend my energies in making even better amps...... and no, I never did assume you were trying to ruin my business, but you may not be aware how sensitive reviews are because we are all human and we are attracted to the negative!

Ciao,

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Old 8th March 2015, 12:35 AM   #19
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Hi Hugh,

Yes I understand how sensitive reviews are. That's why I asked the moderator to delete it before someone doesn't understand what I'm saying in the review and comes to the conclusion that ASPEN amps aren't any good.

Best regards,

Sjef

From Hugh:
Thank you Sjef, I will take your offer, appreciated
Hugh

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Old 8th March 2015, 04:20 AM   #20
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That's why I asked the moderator to delete it before someone doesn't understand what I'm saying in the review and comes to the conclusion that ASPEN amps aren't any good.
This is the Aspen Forum Sjef - who on earth do you think is the bloody moderator? Or don't you think?

Hugh could delete your posts ... but he's not that sort of person. He's happy for people to write their reviews - and only a very small number are negative, like yours was.

I can't help feeling there is a self-congratulatory point in coming out so negative ... because automatically, you are dissing the listening capabilities of other people and putting yourself up as the only one with 'golden ears', who can hear what these amps really are. You are saying, in effect, Jens A - who has posted here about his very high-class, resolving system and the great sound he's getting from his NAKSAs - must be a shyster. Or cloth-eared ... or simply confused. Which I, for instance, know he's none of these.


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