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Old 24th September 2010, 09:47 AM   #11
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Prof,

I believe we've been down this path before?

VSonics, Onkyo Integra CD player, NAKSA/Maya/LF amps.

You raise good points about the amps...... the NAKSA 70 is better than the LF55, but then, that's withdrawn from sale now, and IFF the NAKSA 100 is superior to the LF100, it too will be either withdrawn from sale or surplus modules sold off a bit cheaper.

Not too much cheaper mind, don't want to give away magnificent amps, even if they have been pipped at the post....

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Old 23rd October 2010, 03:52 PM   #12
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It will take a special kind of high-end audiophile not to misinterpret the NAKSA 70's musical engagement as "I was wrong about my $5000 amplifier choice".
I just read the naksa review and my understanding of the quote above is that the naksa is a good amp but if youre a really fussy audiophile the $5000 amp wins. Furthermore there are amps costing much more than 5000. Krell, mark levinson these can cost 10 times as much, so can we really honestly compare the naksa to such giants? This is an honest question which deserves an honest answer.

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Old 24th October 2010, 04:32 AM   #13
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I just read the naksa review and my understanding of the quote above is that the naksa is a good amp but if youre a really fussy audiophile the $5000 amp wins. Furthermore there are amps costing much more than 5000. Krell, mark levinson these can cost 10 times as much, so can we really honestly compare the naksa to such giants? This is an honest question which deserves an honest answer.

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As I suspect you can't afford an amp which costs USD5,000 - let alone 10 times as much - "professor", your question is moot. I suggest the question you should be asking yourself is "Can I afford a NAKSA 70?"

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Old 24th October 2010, 06:57 AM   #14
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Really you should be asking the question on how it compares to amps within your budget. I've always taken the approach that a great DIY amp should be able to compete with commercial amps at least 2 times the full DIY build cost and if it's better than some of the mega buck amps, then that's a bonus.

We usually try and get the best bang for buck and all the Aspen amps I've built have held their own or bettered amps I've heard or owned up to 4 times the price. I'm not interested in the mega buck amps, even though I've heard a few, as they are not within my budget.

Due to the cheaper amp cost it allowed me to spend more on the source, pre, loudspeaker and music. The end result of DIY (amp and loudspeakers) is sonics that I would never have been able to afford. In fact, the Aspen amp is the cheapest component in my main system by a huge margin.
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Old 24th October 2010, 02:22 PM   #15
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As I suspect you can't afford an amp which costs USD5,000 - let alone 10 times as much - "professor", your question is moot. I suggest the question you should be asking yourself is "Can I afford a NAKSA 70?"

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Even if the question is moot and even if i cant afford $5000 the question can still be posed and answered no? I am curious.

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And how do we make precise this notion of being better?
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Old 24th October 2010, 03:12 PM   #16
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Even if the question is moot and even if i cant afford $5000 the question can still be posed and answered no? I am curious. And how do we make precise this notion of being better?
my 2c:

For me it's been an interesting learning experience building different amplifiers and listening to them. I can honestly say that subsequent amplifiers have sounded better. But it's hard to be precise, I don't measure them and don't do double blind tests. I would say for me there are two aspects, the first are the clearly noticeable changes such as stronger more prominent bass or clearer treble that makes instruments more realistic. The other aspect are changes I can't quite put my finger on, I listen to the better amp for awhile and then swap back and simply don't like the sound anymore, it just isn't nice and I can't go back to using the older design.

Before I built these amps all I could do was read the impressions of others and ask questions as you are. You have only one amp so you are in the same boat I was back then. I don't think it would have been possible for me to understand some of the ways that amplifiers sound without building and listening to them. It takes time and money of course and it can get a bit frustrating along the way but so far I'd wager its been worth it.

It means that I'm not sure I can make a precise notion of an amp being better
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And how do we make precise this notion of being better?
Easy.... it puts a grin on the face and you get your rocks off and if it doesn't it gets binned.

Tell me, how did you know your amp was sounding weird when it was burning in and how did you know when it was finally sounding good? By measurements? Blind tests? Listened?
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how did you know your amp was sounding weird when it was burning in
its a long story. Not by measurements or blind testing. There are too many variables though Rabbitz, all interrelated. How can we form any conclusions?
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Yes I know the history and don't want to go over it again but the point I was trying to make is that you listened, and when it sounded off, you frowned, and when it was singing, you smiled.

That's my notion of being better..... precise it may not be but the ears and my emotions are the only instruments I have to evaluate amps.
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Yes I know the history and don't want to go over it again but the point I was trying to make is that you listened, and when it sounded off, you frowned, and when it was singing, you smiled.

That's my notion of being better..... precise it may not be but the ears and my emotions are the only instruments I have to evaluate amps.
Absof'inglutely, wabbitz!

But those who don't trust their ears, need measurements to tell them what to do.

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