Because low stylus-groove friction can have a profound effect on playback performance in a very broad sense: reduced harmonic distortion, reduced surface noise, improved cart-arm lf stability (pitch stability).Why should we want to achieve the lowest friction ?
Harmonic distortion improvement is via improved accuracy of tracing: locus of the stylus more accurately follows locus of the groove base, stylus is less likely to ride up the groove wall when presented with steep groove angles. This is particularly true for offset angle arms, where the line of applied friction force produces a significant torque for the stylus to ride the inner groove wall.
Surface noise improvement is presumed to be via reduction in micro-mistracking: momentary loss of contact with one or both groove walls in response to momentary stick-slip type friction variation. Crackle-tick type surface noise.
Pitch stability improvement is via reduced instantaneous variation in skate force, giving rise to variation in torque to move the headshell.
Geometrically induced harmonic distortion, ie because there is a classic tracking offset angle, is small in the scheme of things compared to mistracing induced distortion. Mistracing meaning that the stylus base does not exactly follow the groove base locus.You mention that distortion will be hardly affected, so what else could be the benefit apart from better tracing.
Is tracing supposed to be a problem ?
One can readily calculate that 315Hz/3150Hz @-10dB ref 5cm/s is too quiet to show significant FM effects. That's not to say there won't be measurable IMD due to harmonic distortion arising from mistracing from all other sources, some of which can vary significantly with 3D stylus alignment.The Adjust+ test LP has a 315Hz/3150Hz stereo track 4:1 @ -10dB and a 3150Hz/1850Hz stereo track 1:1 @ -10dB.
3150Hz/1850Hz @-10dB stereo is reasonably hot and will rotate its vector, as previously discussed. I'd expect stylus alignment HD to affect HD/IMD on a track like that, via the mechanisms suggested above.
It's not that I doubt the usefulness and effectiveness of such tests, quite the opposite. Just that I doubt the common-wisdom explanation of the mechanisms involved................
VTA is one aspect, and lateral tracking offset angle is another. Might be worth trying deliberate lateral tracking offset angle error too, especially for finer radius styli - the sweet spot of IMD isn't necessarily the geometric 'ideal'........I will play them both with different VTA's and measure whether HD and/or IMD are affected by these changes and come back with the outcome.
LD
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I think that's probably the best indirect method, and needs to be lateral at +12dB ref 5cm/s, 4:1, plus a similar vertical track except for level which needs to be at the largest level likely to be trackable (which needs some thought to come up with)............Is the 400Hz+4Khz the way to go?
As to direct methods, a silent track that's long enough to allow for spin-down time tests, a few minutes long, and near the outside of the record. Followed by a heavily modulated track of similar duration, perhaps +12dB@1kHz ref 5cm/s.
Any other ideas for how? Click-free silent lock groove ? Several of them?
LD
Here the results of the 315Hz/3150Hz @-10dB 4:1.
Left is with 3 LP's, in my case changing the VTA by 1.5 degrees, right is with just the test disc and the VTA optimally adjusted.
FFT is calculated with a Hann Window.
Apart from the slight raise of the 3rd harmonic of the 315Hz tone, and the raise of the surface noise around the 3150Hz, there is little drama.
Hans
Left is with 3 LP's, in my case changing the VTA by 1.5 degrees, right is with just the test disc and the VTA optimally adjusted.
FFT is calculated with a Hann Window.
Apart from the slight raise of the 3rd harmonic of the 315Hz tone, and the raise of the surface noise around the 3150Hz, there is little drama.
Hans
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4:1, plus a similar vertical track except for level which needs to be at the largest level likely to be trackable (which needs some thought to come up with)............
LD
FYI Some of the tracks at the inner grooves threw the stylus out completely, I mean all the way out.
OK, thanks.I think that's probably the best indirect method, and needs to be lateral at +12dB
What is lateral vs vertical, in terms of the L&R signals? Is lateral mono?
OK, thanks.
What is lateral vs vertical, in terms of the L&R signals? Is lateral mono?
Lateral = L + R, Vertical = L - R, IIRC old 78's could not do vertical at all.
So far results were not very promising with the radial tip, but also the Adjust+ LP, played with an eliptical stylus didn't reveal anything that could be used in adjusting the VTA or Stylus Friction for that matter ! (Posting 425 & 428)Sorry, none here but I'll take it with a field recorder to Kevin's to see if we could sneak it in Saturday.
I'm therefore anxious looking forward what your visit to Kevin will bring.
Hans
Here the results of the 315Hz/3150Hz @-10dB 4:1.
Left is with 3 LP's, in my case changing the VTA by 1.5 degrees, right is with just the test disc and the VTA optimally adjusted.
FFT is calculated with a Hann Window.
Apart from the slight raise of the 3rd harmonic of the 315Hz tone, and the raise of the surface noise around the 3150Hz, there is little drama.
Under the circumstances that the test track is oddly quiet (see my post above), despite all there's definitely notable difference in both the noise floor and 400Hz IMD sidebands nearby 4kHz. And given the gross scale, I think it's fair to say the results are distinct despite a relatively small change in tracking angle (VTA in this case).And here the test with 1850/3150Hz @-10dB 1:1.
Left is with VTA +1.5 degrees, right is with optimally adjusted VTA.
FFT wit Hann Window.
The frequency domain is not as good a way to look at this as the time domain, and chances are the sidebands indicate there might well be something FM worth looking for methinks. Both the noise floor and the sideband differences are probably a result of altered friction though, which is fair game and exactly what we might be looking for I think......
The test tracks aren't optimal at all for showing desired effect though........ hence the suggestion for test tracks as above.
LD
Sounds like my sort of party..............I forgot the fiddling with VTA, since this is a social event I won't bother him with all that.........
LD
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