Woofer ? Agree the curves shown are not pretty around 1khz, but imo this is due to diffraction effects at the cabinet edges. Pretty sure that the Satory would not measure any better on a cabinet like this. But TG ( or SS...) wanted a 2 way monitor and actually the result is the response of a 2 way monitor...
Hence probably one of the notches on the filter....
I was not referring to bellow 1500Hz, but above - it lacks the extension that MW16P has. That's why i wrote "a bit worse".
While we're at it, MW16P needed only one component to achieve LR2 at 1800Hz in Kairos by Jeff Bagby.
The thing that bothers me is that Troels uploaded horizontal off-axis response of finished loudspeaker as vertical. It is the same image. We can't really see what is happening to tweeter off-axis in vertical plane.
While we're at it, MW16P needed only one component to achieve LR2 at 1800Hz in Kairos by Jeff Bagby.
The thing that bothers me is that Troels uploaded horizontal off-axis response of finished loudspeaker as vertical. It is the same image. We can't really see what is happening to tweeter off-axis in vertical plane.
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Woofer ? Agree the curves shown are not pretty around 1khz, but imo this is due to diffraction effects at the cabinet edges. Pretty sure that the Satory would not measure any better on a cabinet like this. But TG ( or SS...) wanted a 2 way monitor and actually the result is the response of a 2 way monitor...
That resonance shows up on the Scan-Speak graphs to, in fact it sticks out like a sore thumb. And that's not the only one.
Some kind of these resonances can not be eq'ed out because they're not minimum phase. I'm not saying that these can't be eq'ed out, I haven't measured them myself, but its a very real possibility.
If these resonances are out of band its not much of a problem, but these are in band. That's my main criticism for these speakers, besides the probable ridiculous price tag. YMMV
Very nice design i didn't know about, thanks!
http://ldsound.ru/wp-content/upload...Monitor-Speaker-by-Jeff-Bagby-ldsound.ru_.pdf
SB has a new kit on their website using the Satori MW16P and the TW29R. Not sure if it relevant to this discussion but I will put it out there for those interested.
http://www.sbacoustics.com/index.php/sb-acoustics-kits/ara-kits/
http://www.sbacoustics.com/index.php/sb-acoustics-kits/ara-kits/
Most, if not all, midwoofers have similar problems Satori included, not the mention the pro stuff so praised by high eff fans.
This SS is not perfect, but hides its flaws in a very convincing way, imho...
What is not so great is Troels work with the baffle, and the need for a notch there has much more to see with diffractions that any driver related problem.
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But how to calm the climbing curve and the rapid/early off axi dispersion, not talking about the bafle step ?
This is not a driver, this is an elevator
I'm asking myself if such cone can render the same amount of détails and microdynamic, even if there are others factors (motors, surounds, etc)
too much material damping = less sounding details ??
I have this one from Seas in my Proac D15 http://seas.no/images/stories/vintage/pdfdataheet/e0003_w17ex001.pdf, if it's hard to compare two speakers, I prefer my others ones (one with Nomex : old Kef, and one with aluminium cone... )
This is not a driver, this is an elevator
I'm asking myself if such cone can render the same amount of détails and microdynamic, even if there are others factors (motors, surounds, etc)
too much material damping = less sounding details ??
I have this one from Seas in my Proac D15 http://seas.no/images/stories/vintage/pdfdataheet/e0003_w17ex001.pdf, if it's hard to compare two speakers, I prefer my others ones (one with Nomex : old Kef, and one with aluminium cone... )
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What a stupid comment. Sorry "Charles Darwin". The real Charles Darwin was a lot brighter than YOU. He knew you were descended from a Monkey.
See an elliptical cone with a round voicecoil is just a mathematical translation of the inverse. It's not hard to prove.
It's all the same thing. What I find tiring about you so-called EXPERTS at diyaudio.com is that you've never done enough Maths to understand that all loudspeakers are a vague and distorted version of reality.
No loudspeaker actually successfully imitates the original sound. You can always tell the difference. IMO, headphones get close. But really, why keep lying about this? Stop LYING! You really don't have a clue!
So you think that circular vc, circular spider, elliptical cone is the inverse equivalent of elliptical vc, circular spider, circular cone?
Interesting. Incorrect but interesting nonetheless.
You also jumped to an unfounded and very wrong conclusion about my believes in what loudspeakers can or can not do. What have you been smoking when you posted this?
But I've thought of you as a bit of a pompous blowhard before so thanks for confirming that.
But how to calm the climbing curve and the rapid/early off axi dispersion, not talking about the bafle step ?
This is not a driver, this is an elevator
Don't you like music for elevators?
1º Find a similar tweeter partner, might be an SS Elipsoid, but most Audax like TW034 will do: Green curves.
2º Forget about axial response, and choose apropriate axial design for flat overlapping drivers responses: Purple curve.
3º Need to fine tune a shelving response for your xover transfer function for BSC and room curve control: red curve.
4º Target room curve is black one: you need to boost >5khz to get this curve. With a flat tweeter, you will need to use Dirac, DRC-fir, Acourate or whatever to achieve that elevator bliss, or your highs will fade to grey...
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There is a lot to talk about smoking and eleptical cone imho !
Notice ScanSpeak is conform to Darwin's thoughts : after some generatiosn there is a mutation, the driver had to adapt itself to survive... the evolution of the markett is a terrible jungle !
@ Gedeon : the two slices looks like the ones made with on the Revelator cones, (notice glue can be smoked too !)
https://youtu.be/H-wm0EdoeN8
There is a lot to talk about smoking and eleptical cone imho !
Notice ScanSpeak is conform to Darwin's thoughts : after some generatiosn there is a mutation, the driver had to adapt itself to survive... the evolution of the markett is a terrible jungle !
@ Gedeon : the two slices looks like the ones made with on the Revelator cones
, (notice glue can be smoked too !)https://youtu.be/H-wm0EdoeN8
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