You must be mistaking this place from Hydrogen Audio Doug.
Out of all the recent dacs I've owned only the Weiss 202 didn't betray its digital origins in one way or another. Be it pre-ringing, out of band fold back, noise modulating the signal and vice versa or just plain poor handling of digital clipping (M2Tech Young). The flaws are many and solutions few and very expensive.
I'm inclined to believe DIY and DJ folks want to achieve better performance from their analog front ends, by their best means of choice. IMO an effects based solution wouldn't persuade the wanna be audiophiles from ditching those invested (faith based) mediums. Whatever those "some" ppl may tell you for your study there will be no evidence to the statements at the end of the day.
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Are you replying to me? I see clear evidence for the conclusions in the study report. Did you read the article, or - gasp - do the on-line test yourself?
Jan
nope the study from the OP.
doesn't yours give more credence to the fact that the analog guys are running more on "faith"?
the "some" ppl are the people giving testimony for that study not the investigators. be clear, anybody can make an argument when flipped upside down. E.g. bring in the evidence to support the analog folks not the opposite)
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OK, clear. BTW it's not 'my study' but I don't know of any other serious study in this area. If you look back to the posts before it is mainly 'belief' and 'personal opinion'. Nothing wrong with that of course, but doesn't answer the question.
Interestingly, the study conclusions are supported from unfamilar quarters. Cultural filosophers Bartmanski and Woodward in their study (Vinyl - The Analogue Record in the Digital Age) point to cultural aspects as the base for the resurgence in vinyl popularity. Factors like 'possession' and 'ritual'. They also note that because of the interest in somewhat eclectic circles, the mastering and production has been improved over the years.
Typically, vinyl listeners have a digital room or streaming setup for casual listening while vinyl is broken out for serious and relaxed listening sessions.
Maybe something like having a quick snack during work and having a nice sit-down meal to relax.
Jan
I was relating to the findings of Bartmanski and Woorward; they interviewed masses of people.
BTW Think twice before rushing out to buy their book - cultural philosophy is very rough going ;-)
Jan
I think playing music on the equipment that it was mastered for is a big part of it. Listening to Stranglehold off a 12 inch single through my Marantz 2238, blows any digital copy I have heard out of the water, to my ears. But I do also have a separate setup for digital recordings, because I don't like the sound through the vintage amp. I don't think vinyl is totally a bandwagon effect.
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Hipsters are leading the resurgence in my area, and I doubt they have the equipment, or DIY knowledge to put together a proper hi-fi system. I see them buying $100 automatic turntables every time I go to the record store. So I do think there is a herd aspect to it, but some of us with options still choose vinyl.
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something i dont think people have touched on is the actual cutting of discs and the pre empt or what ever you call it, on a lot of cutting (mostly rock music) there is a run in where the music is pre empted like an echo. IIR this was to stop the needle jumping out of the groove when it hit a loud passage right at the beginning of the track, some cutting engineers forgot to turn it off while the disc was being cut which ended up giving the end cutting a slight echo to the music all the way through.
Some sweeping statements here...
I assume you mean anti-phase crosstalk? But surely the real crosstalk in a cartridge is mostly in-phase? In any case, it is well-known that you need a LOT of crosstalk (worse than -20dB) before perceptible narrowing of the stereo image is perceptible. This can't be an explanation of vinyl preference.
But what about loudness wars? The level difference between old and recent CDs is too obvious to miss. This is a bad situation.
How, if we can't hear it??
Well, you'd be wrong. research on the brain has made enormous strides in the last two decades. We are certainly lacking a complete explanation of how sound perception works, but we are not completely ignorant.
I think this is a very good point.
Hmmm.
Adding pre-echo to a CD signal is going to be tricky unless we use a digital delay of at least a second or two on the main signal. Once the delayed main path reaches a decent volume, the pre-echo signal could be discretely faded away to nothing to preserve the famous clarity of digital signals.
Call that a fiddle if you like, but I think it would work...
You are thinking of pre-echo. It is not deliberate but a limitation of vinyl.
I am afraid all you have said is quite wrong.
But PMA says something quite different. He says it is due to groove noise (without restricting it to low freqs or anti-phase) and restricted HF response.
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