That looks as if it could work. The DS-Audio setup, which is optical is $8400. At that price will possibly pass...
And both are a simulation, but unlike music the artist directly manipulates the recording medium. You can site many examples of unusual lighting, filters, and actual distortions of reality used for artistic effect. Yes, maybe that is a good analogy to vinyl.
Hi John... just hanging around til the plane leaves this evening ----
The fine grain film .. esp black and white fine grain film... is amazing in its ability to capture details. We certainly havent seen such detail in video.... but now I see a lot of detail in Ultra HD (4K). I think it is subjectively comparable now. Especially if you see the Sony professional machines and masters being played at CES. Its there. More colors are needed however and have been introduced. Similarities with CD to master HD resolutions.
It really is getting better.
How good does LP stand up to it..... it takes a super-duper LP 'system' to be at it best and set-up/tweeked to the Nth degree...... I have heard many of the best analog over the years and it just doesnt have the detail/resolution of digitals latest and best today.
Not that LP isnt very enjoyable etal. Just saying there has been real significant progress in both UHD audio and video. And, it keeps getting better.... LP systems arent getting any better IMO.
THx-RNMarsh
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I beg to differ. In my experience, the transparency, accuracy and dynamic range of current 'mid-fi' stuff is so much better than vinyl that it's very easy to hear the difference between vinyl and almost any digital source with relatively simple equipment.
So called 'mid-fi' systems have now progressed to the point that they can milk everything from a vinyl record that's there. And often for $ 999 or less.
Jan
Jan,
You just have to realize that John has bought into the cost is value equation and doesn't want to admit that you don't have to spend the most money to get to a level that at one time did cost a high dollar amount. John would be just as amazed to find that many inexpensive cars have far surpassed his beloved old Porsche in every way. That car couldn't keep up with many Toyota's today. Same goes for those who can't believe that a new Corvette would eat most older Ferrari's for lunch and wouldn't spend most of their lifetime in the shop being repaired or serviced. Price and quality are not directly related in many products, it it just naivety that makes some still follow that marketing model.
ps. I still think John is a great electronics designer, he just has to lose the concept that many of us have no idea how good vinyl can sound. I still have mine and have no intention to get rid of it, but I don't see spending money on high dollar RIAA circuits and mega bucks turntables that may look nice but are just that, decorations to a room. I may even still buy an older vinyl album as I still enjoy the cover art and some things that have been remastered are just terrible with how they are reinterpreted acoustically. Something new is going to be on CD or a high rez download.
You just have to realize that John has bought into the cost is value equation and doesn't want to admit that you don't have to spend the most money to get to a level that at one time did cost a high dollar amount. John would be just as amazed to find that many inexpensive cars have far surpassed his beloved old Porsche in every way. That car couldn't keep up with many Toyota's today. Same goes for those who can't believe that a new Corvette would eat most older Ferrari's for lunch and wouldn't spend most of their lifetime in the shop being repaired or serviced. Price and quality are not directly related in many products, it it just naivety that makes some still follow that marketing model.
ps. I still think John is a great electronics designer, he just has to lose the concept that many of us have no idea how good vinyl can sound. I still have mine and have no intention to get rid of it, but I don't see spending money on high dollar RIAA circuits and mega bucks turntables that may look nice but are just that, decorations to a room. I may even still buy an older vinyl album as I still enjoy the cover art and some things that have been remastered are just terrible with how they are reinterpreted acoustically. Something new is going to be on CD or a high rez download.
'Better' seems a strange word, it shouldn't be a contest. Vinyl is typically the only way to obtain bona fide sound as originally mastered to be heard, one either gets that or not I think............. love it or hate it, it deserves respect simply for being what it is.
No way do most setups achieves anything like milking all that is there, top end or mifi. I doubt that has often ever been achieved.
As was said before, film use is art in the true sense of things. Just as a professional photographer can do things with film, lenses, lighting and subject matter the same would be true today with those who understand how to take advantage of digital capture. Most never get to that level, it takes real skills to master those media and use it artistically, i have known some photographers who could just do wonders with a camera.
Same goes for recording engineers, some just know how to use the correct microphone and microphone placement and so many other things to get a sound that others would never create, there is art in all of this, whether visual or audio. I think we all recognize when a recording is beyond our expectations and other times when the music may be technically well done but lifeless.
Same goes for recording engineers, some just know how to use the correct microphone and microphone placement and so many other things to get a sound that others would never create, there is art in all of this, whether visual or audio. I think we all recognize when a recording is beyond our expectations and other times when the music may be technically well done but lifeless.
I would think the ones worth saving have been transferred to acetate from the original negatives. We got a fresh print of "The Maltese Falcon" in the early 70's, absolutely stunning quality.
Nothing gets the crowd going like forgetting to close the gate when the film jams.
EDIT - Sorry - the issue of original copies is complicated they are not always negatives.
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We had a silent move house here in L.A. for years since I was in high school. At some point not that long ago all those old films were given to UCLA. I wonder what has happened to them and how many have been saved and restored for posterity? Old film made some really great smoke bombs when I was a kid, you would get the film out of the dumpsters at the studios.
Not sure I should 'respect' a piece of plastic, but I do have a nice vinyl setup and really enjoy listening to my records. That's not the point at all.
Jan
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This, for me, makes a ton of sense. While I (probably!) won't be much ever a user of vinyl (maybe digitizing my parent's collection and having fun making an overly-fancy preamp for their old Technics player), but if it's pretty and you enjoy the entire vinyl experience, my hat is off to you. We (mostly) do all this stuff to improve our quality of life, no?
I certainly remember the ritual of putting a record on the player and dancing around like a maniac as a kid (I'm probably one of the younger people on this thread at 31). Think I'll do that again when I visit the folks in a few weeks for childhood memories' sake.
Derfnofred,
Even us old guys have to keep up with technological changes or were toast. I still haven't gotten a smart phone, I just don't use the phone enough to warrant the extra monthly charges and carrying around those larger phones. But I know one of these days I'll have to break down and do it, just not yet. I usually know where I'm going so really don't need GPS to get where I want to go, but once in awhile I do go somewhere I don't know and if I don't have a map that would come in handy. I surely don't need to be checking my email when I am out, it can wait till I get home. Anybody important can just call my cell phone.
Today we are in a digital world for information so to ignore that fact is plain silly, nobody is still designing a better typewriter today, just as nobody is going to develop better methods to make vinyl albums, that era has come and gone.
Even us old guys have to keep up with technological changes or were toast. I still haven't gotten a smart phone, I just don't use the phone enough to warrant the extra monthly charges and carrying around those larger phones. But I know one of these days I'll have to break down and do it, just not yet. I usually know where I'm going so really don't need GPS to get where I want to go, but once in awhile I do go somewhere I don't know and if I don't have a map that would come in handy. I surely don't need to be checking my email when I am out, it can wait till I get home. Anybody important can just call my cell phone.
Today we are in a digital world for information so to ignore that fact is plain silly, nobody is still designing a better typewriter today, just as nobody is going to develop better methods to make vinyl albums, that era has come and gone.
Oh, totally agree. We all need to keep up un technological changes (I'll rant about a lack of curiosity by people my age another day). A curious mind is a happy mind in my opinion.
That said, if a boron-fiber'd large-diameter ultrathin cantilever makes vinyl fun for someone, who am I to object, even if it's applying an incredibly sophisticated solution to what is an ostensible dinosaur? This is DIYaudio, absurd is the norm.
That said, if a boron-fiber'd large-diameter ultrathin cantilever makes vinyl fun for someone, who am I to object, even if it's applying an incredibly sophisticated solution to what is an ostensible dinosaur? This is DIYaudio, absurd is the norm.
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