Hi mlloyd1,
I would feel similarly about that CD player if it were mine. The Denon DCD-S10 I do have as my main unit has a KILLER DAC section and a Sony KSS-240A set up. I wish it had the KSS-151A, or yours. It will also take an external digital signal to decode that.
For the perfect player, if I could get a Denon 20 bit, or the DAC section from a Nak MB-1S, I would put that into the Nak OMS-7. Perfect eye pattern into a great DSP and DAC section would be amazing.
If you get that Accuphase, send the Sony here please!
Hi Derfnofred,
As mentioned earlier, some folks do not have the time or inclination to sit there and chose by track. Too much work when I'm already tired and just want to hear nice music, maybe by a certain band. I don't even fill up the 5 disc machine we have anymore. Too much thinking ahead. The CD player is simply the easiest thing to use sometimes.
-Chris
I would feel similarly about that CD player if it were mine. The Denon DCD-S10 I do have as my main unit has a KILLER DAC section and a Sony KSS-240A set up. I wish it had the KSS-151A, or yours. It will also take an external digital signal to decode that.
For the perfect player, if I could get a Denon 20 bit, or the DAC section from a Nak MB-1S, I would put that into the Nak OMS-7. Perfect eye pattern into a great DSP and DAC section would be amazing.
If you get that Accuphase, send the Sony here please!
Hi Derfnofred,
As mentioned earlier, some folks do not have the time or inclination to sit there and chose by track. Too much work when I'm already tired and just want to hear nice music, maybe by a certain band. I don't even fill up the 5 disc machine we have anymore. Too much thinking ahead. The CD player is simply the easiest thing to use sometimes.
-Chris
Good idea! That is what I have done for the past few years. But I have 1000+ Cd's and would consider a better CDP just for them. A lot of the CD's I have are not available now nor in other forms... HD downloads. So I am stuck with this legacy format for awhile longer. meanwhile, i already have more than 750 music downloads in my computer. I load them to a USB memory stick and then plug it into a Araliti PK100 player (handles many file formats) and it drives an external DAC .... PLC controlled (Netgear) over the ac power lines.
THx- RNMarsh
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How do you record the digital out?
Hmm, couldn't we record a track.
Eject the disc, sneeze on it and put it back in the player.
mucus = C1
phlegm =C2
Record the same track.
Then post the 2 files here for a simple Foobar ABX w posted scores?
PS I've been ripping CDs to FLAC with EAC ... sounds like that was a good choice.
EAC tests your drive to see if it has: acurip, cache, and C2
EAC:
www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac-1.0beta6.exe
With EAC you can set the amount of error rereading, so with a really nasty disc you can clean it up as best you can, set it to high and let it go all night.
That's what she said ...
PPS I,ve noticed my older DVDRW drives are better at reading CD (+scrathed CD) than my Bluray reader
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Wow, that's some serious money you've invested in your hobby, Richard. Must be 15 grand or so. I wish I had so much pocket money..
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Its just time consuming so I dont bother. Got a lot of other things to do with my time. Even if I could get some one else to do it... we are talking>1000 USD so I just let it be. I put many of my favorites in a Sony 400 disk player and let it play all day long.... same unit in the garage with a small system there and TV. I make a compulation disk now and then for the cars and a copy goes into the 400 units. cant wait to get it all portable and in the cloud so i have access to the music when i am in Asia... something you cant do with a physical CD. Since I havent got around to sending music files to the cloud yet... I load up an iPOD and take it with me... plug it into a music system port at the Bangkok Condo and hear my favorites when there.... and listen in the airplane. But the cloud is the way to go... for me. I always have Intenet access anyway.
THx-RNMarsh
Its just time consuming so I dont bother. Got a lot of other things to do with my time. Even if I could get some one else to do it... we are talking>1000 USD so I just let it be. I put many of my favorites in a Sony 400 disk player and let it play all day long.... same unit in the garage with a small system there and TV. I make a compulation disk now and then for the cars and a copy goes into the 400 units. cant wait to get it all portable and in the cloud so i have access to the music when i am in Asia... something you cant do with a physical CD. Since I havent got around to sending music files to the cloud yet... I load up an iPOD and take it with me... plug it into a music system port at the Bangkok Condo and hear my favorites when there.... and listen in the airplane. But the cloud is the way to go... for me. I always have Intenet access anyway.
THx-RNMarsh
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Most of the volume of purchases is due to the fact I paid off my mortgage. that leaves a lot of money to play with each month.
-RNM
Then set up your computer to both rip and play the CD in question. Over time, you'll naturally convert everything over. Pretty small one-time cost to make it all happen.
Would two identical tracks be of use for doubters, one is from a perfect Red Book test CD, the other from its twin which has a known (manufactured into the disc) track defect. The defect is a 1000micro meter gap in the information layer which is over what the playability standard is.
If there was enough interest I might be persuaded to record them to .wav and then you could compare.
If there was enough interest I might be persuaded to record them to .wav and then you could compare.
I'll consider doing that from time to time. Like when i am here typing and reading mail anyway, I could throw a disk in it to copy. Multi-task.
THx-RNMarsh
It adds up quickly. I converted both my own cd library, and my parents library (when I go see them over the holidays) in pretty short order doing just that. Biggest time sink is ensuring that the metadata (Album/track titles) are correct, but freedb's integration into EAC makes that pretty darn smooth.
Admittedly, I didn't have 1000 discs to go through, so it went a bit quicker.
Then again, if you prioritize the ones you find yourself listening to more frequently, then the usable part of your library switches over quickly.CLUCK the clowd !
Dude, if I was any where near The Trail, I'd bring ya one o' my old comps with a hard-core DVD drive in it.
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Hey Chris,
The only counterpoint I can make is that, even with a junky old system, you can pretty well automate that process. So instead of throwing any old disc into your 5 disc machine, you pop it into your computer, and let it play both CD transport and data migration.
I'll admit it's a small bit of work to get the system up and running (and something I'm familiar with, so the barrier was pretty low), but once it's all running, it's really just as simple as your 5 disc player.
Total time to set it up is less than the amount of electrons spilled in this thread to that effect.
I believe that I have seen evidence of contamination from servos and such. Presented by Malcolm Hawsford at AES a number of years ago. He examined some cd players and the output spectra of the jitter present in different situations and with some different players. It was obvious (and electrically obvious) that if you have interference on the clock (ground bounce, psu coupled or whatever) it has an effect on the jitter at the interface.
I would believe that at this point that interference with clock stability, especially by repetitive signals, is identifiable in the output of a DAC. Even in the packed basement room of the Moscone Center. These were at fairly low levels, not exaggerated levels.
The point was to make sure you got the design well and eliminate these types of interference/errors. Not to quantify them. Its bad, get rid of it.
Cheers
Alan
I would believe that at this point that interference with clock stability, especially by repetitive signals, is identifiable in the output of a DAC. Even in the packed basement room of the Moscone Center. These were at fairly low levels, not exaggerated levels.
The point was to make sure you got the design well and eliminate these types of interference/errors. Not to quantify them. Its bad, get rid of it.
Cheers
Alan
Well, thanks guys for your digital input. I still don't like digital much, so I have somewhat less invested compared to amps, speakers or even phono cartridges.
This week I hope to try an 'exotic' line conditioner and see if it can improve my system. It is made by Jack Bybee. I own it, so I should at least try it out. It will supplant another Bybee box that is about 15 years old. This is real 'exotic' so I won't show what is inside in any case.
This week I hope to try an 'exotic' line conditioner and see if it can improve my system. It is made by Jack Bybee. I own it, so I should at least try it out. It will supplant another Bybee box that is about 15 years old. This is real 'exotic' so I won't show what is inside in any case.
Hi Derfnofred,
Maybe once I have this place cleaned up and a new server running. Should I back the information up on DVDs?
Honestly, I serviced many multiplay CD players and those CD library things. Aside from having to input identifiers for each CD, when it comes time to play I don't want to have to think too hard about it. Once I am on my time, I want to switch off and not have to even try to remember what is in there to listen to. I also like silence and can wait until a CD is over to enjoy that.
Hi Alan,
That is another big problem I didn't want to raise. Super clocks don't help BTW. A working xtal oscillator is the best for short term stability. That is what most CD players come with. Its short term variations (jitter) you need to worry about. That is more a problem with the cheaper machines and GPS locked oscillators (they exist).
Injected noise like you have brought up is a system level problem. That should be the the problem for cheap units, and some audiophile, low numbers brands where one person is the designer. The vast majority of good "mid-fi" brands have enough experts on staff to avoid these mistakes.
The casual listener will not hear these issues, so not something to worry about.
-Chris
Maybe once I have this place cleaned up and a new server running. Should I back the information up on DVDs?
Honestly, I serviced many multiplay CD players and those CD library things. Aside from having to input identifiers for each CD, when it comes time to play I don't want to have to think too hard about it. Once I am on my time, I want to switch off and not have to even try to remember what is in there to listen to. I also like silence and can wait until a CD is over to enjoy that.
Hi Alan,
That is another big problem I didn't want to raise. Super clocks don't help BTW. A working xtal oscillator is the best for short term stability. That is what most CD players come with. Its short term variations (jitter) you need to worry about. That is more a problem with the cheaper machines and GPS locked oscillators (they exist).
Injected noise like you have brought up is a system level problem. That should be the the problem for cheap units, and some audiophile, low numbers brands where one person is the designer. The vast majority of good "mid-fi" brands have enough experts on staff to avoid these mistakes.
The casual listener will not hear these issues, so not something to worry about.
-Chris
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