Hi,
Phase tracking isn't perfect mid/treble, but usefully means
they don't have be too tall, tweeters below but near ear
height will be fine. Off axis is simply very wide with
little loss due to the drivers used. The speaker is
built around the 2" dome midrange doing its stuff.
rgds, sreten.
A technically accurate loudspeaker will likely sound too bright to most people, it actually may not be to your liking as it may be just too clinical.
If fact, loudspeaker design is full of compromises anyway so 'a technically accurate loudspeaker' is a fallacy when one looks into it, 'the best compromise' might be more accurate.
Loudspeakers are often biased engineered to suit the musical culture one might follow like heavy rock, jazz or classical or home theatre or whatever.
So it is a better pursuit to find a loudspeaker that is best suited for the style of music or the application you would like it to perform in.
C.M
If fact, loudspeaker design is full of compromises anyway so 'a technically accurate loudspeaker' is a fallacy when one looks into it, 'the best compromise' might be more accurate.
Loudspeakers are often biased engineered to suit the musical culture one might follow like heavy rock, jazz or classical or home theatre or whatever.
So it is a better pursuit to find a loudspeaker that is best suited for the style of music or the application you would like it to perform in.
C.M
Hi,
That is just nonsense in terms of Toole's findings and Zaphs
voicing. Accurate is accurate, technically only means the
other stuff is not poor, but it also very good in context.
rgds, sreten.
maybe i missed the boat or i'm not informed properly but where does this concept of certain speakers matching musical styles? if a speaker sounds bad with any particular type of music can we not conclude that it's flawed? i would think that the hallmark of a good loudspeaker is one that sounds good no matter what i play through it.
There are such things as bad recordings. On a true to source loudspeaker, bad recordings should still sound like bad recordings. Whether they are enjoyable or not while being poorly recorded is a different story, as that is in the ear of the person.
That said- good recordings should sound good on accurate speakers. Good recordings may or may not sound bad on bad speakers depending on their strengths and the type of recording.
So- it's not just cut and dried as saying a great speaker will always sound good with whatever is played through it.
Later,
Wolf
JBL LSR308 or LSR305. The 305s are available for under $300 per pair. They borrow technology from the flagship M2. I would suggest giving these a spin. The measurements are quite stunning.
Kits by Wolf and Jeff Bagby are always reliable. The Continuums would be a great start. The JBLs would be more of a "buy'em and cue the music" type of solution.
Kits by Wolf and Jeff Bagby are always reliable. The Continuums would be a great start. The JBLs would be more of a "buy'em and cue the music" type of solution.
wolf_ teeth
it's a semantic conundrum. like the kind of problem that i first encountered when doing live sound.
a member of the band walked up to the mix position and asked "Hey, how do we sound?"
i pondered his question and wondered "Is he asking me about how well the band is playing/performing or is he referring to the house mix?"
so in context i guess the last sentence of my previous post should have read more like:
"i would think that the hallmark of a good loudspeaker is one that accurately reproduces whatever i put through it"
i hope this helps clarify what i was trying to state previously.
it's a semantic conundrum. like the kind of problem that i first encountered when doing live sound.
a member of the band walked up to the mix position and asked "Hey, how do we sound?"
i pondered his question and wondered "Is he asking me about how well the band is playing/performing or is he referring to the house mix?"
so in context i guess the last sentence of my previous post should have read more like:
"i would think that the hallmark of a good loudspeaker is one that accurately reproduces whatever i put through it"
i hope this helps clarify what i was trying to state previously.
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But those are old! We, in Italy, had also this sort of thing, see https://www.google.it/search?q=rcf+br+45&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=gvz7VNabOYOGzAOr0IDgCw&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1396&bih=984
and they're likely to be put horizontally rather than vertically. Why ? the mid an tw drivers won't stay aside to each other ( simply )>lobings and emissions give confusing sound ( complicated); another thing is that the woofer is HUUUGe ! Nowadays we can have the same efficiency with lesser diameter, and after all, history have decreeded that mini-speakers have some qualities that bigger ones don't have. At least, the panels of the box aren't that big and they would produce less "extra sound"
Great suggestions here, so thanks for that. The main problem with some of the suggestions, however, is that by the time you figure in shipping, duty, taxes, as well as the current exchange rate of the Canadian dollar many of the suggestions would bring me well above my original price point.
Zaph's ZDT3.5 looks great, but I think it would bring me too far above my price point. The same is true of the Genelec.
wolf-teeth's "Nephila" is close, but I think duty, shipping, taxes and exchange rate would be pushing my limit a little bit.
The JBL LSR305's are very intriguing and seem to fall within my price point (and are sold in Canada).
Another option is Jeff Bagby's Triton II. It too is available in Canada and falls within my price point.
Any thoughts on the JBL SLR305 vs. the Triton II?
p.s. As for my L36's being "old", of course they're old, but so am I (assuming mid-50's counts as old, which it probably does to many here). There being 'old', however, doesn't mean I can't still like certain things about them. My Luxman R-1040 receiver is also old, but it has outlasted many other receivers that I've tried as a perpetual favorite of mine (i'm actually listening to it right now, in fact, through my NHT SB1's).
In searching for an accurate speaker I'm just trying to open my mind, if you will, to other audio possibilities (to see if my preferences might shift as a result of long term exposure to this kind of sound, as the literature by Toole, Olive and others suggests). It'll be interesting to see, for example, if my current preference for my JBL l5's or my Boston Acoustic A400's will hold up after long term exposure to a technically accurate form of sound. I have no idea, but I am curious to find out.
Zaph's ZDT3.5 looks great, but I think it would bring me too far above my price point. The same is true of the Genelec.
wolf-teeth's "Nephila" is close, but I think duty, shipping, taxes and exchange rate would be pushing my limit a little bit.
The JBL LSR305's are very intriguing and seem to fall within my price point (and are sold in Canada).
Another option is Jeff Bagby's Triton II. It too is available in Canada and falls within my price point.
Any thoughts on the JBL SLR305 vs. the Triton II?
p.s. As for my L36's being "old", of course they're old, but so am I (assuming mid-50's counts as old, which it probably does to many here). There being 'old', however, doesn't mean I can't still like certain things about them. My Luxman R-1040 receiver is also old, but it has outlasted many other receivers that I've tried as a perpetual favorite of mine (i'm actually listening to it right now, in fact, through my NHT SB1's).
In searching for an accurate speaker I'm just trying to open my mind, if you will, to other audio possibilities (to see if my preferences might shift as a result of long term exposure to this kind of sound, as the literature by Toole, Olive and others suggests). It'll be interesting to see, for example, if my current preference for my JBL l5's or my Boston Acoustic A400's will hold up after long term exposure to a technically accurate form of sound. I have no idea, but I am curious to find out.
You don't have to buy the kit, but it would make it easier. The HiVi F6 and Airborne RT5002 are both available from Solen In Canada. The xover as I used it is only changed to 16AWG air coils instead of foils, but caps in shunts are standard Solen caps, and resistors are 10W or 25W sandcast as labeled. Audyn Q4 cap for the 47uF since it's a great cheap poly. For the tweeter cap, I recommend a Sonicap/Jantzen Superior/Audyn Plus/MultiCap PPMFX/Mundorf Supreme variety of cap, as those tend to be more spacious.
The box can be built as dimensioned from the PE box, and add 6" to the baffle length.
Parts Express Knock-Down MDF 1.16 cu. ft. Tower Speaker Cabinet
You can avoid import duty and pay less shipping with a bit more DIY.
Later,
Wolf
Either will work. Consider that the LSR is a powered speaker. This is usually a good thing because it means both drivers are getting ample power. But it means you will not be able to use your amps. It also has pro style connectors on the back. Again not really problem. Just have to figure out the right connectors. This also meams it will be more portable and sel contained. Take it to the kitchen, hook up your ipod and you have music. The LSR will be more plug and play solution whereas the kit will require some time in building, cutting wood, etc.
Here is a review of the LS305 with some rough and ready measurements: JBL LSR305 Studio Monitors
Pattern control is described as "godlike"!
I've never heard them myself but neither have I ever heard anything bad said about them by people who have.
The easiest way to get technically accurate speakers on a budget is probably 305s plus a couple of active woofers to make 3ways.
One thing is FOR CERTAIN! Wolf's schematics are quite unique!
+1!
They have a lovely '60s sci-fi look about them.
Yes. The waveguide on the 305s and 308s at least looks to be a smaller version of the M2 waveguide. It's sole purpose is pattern control.
Here is a link to measurements. Fantastic.
http://www.jblpro.com/docs/default-source/News-Items/prosoundnews_dec13_3series.pdf
You can read more reviews on the right side bottom panel on this page:
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/recording-broadcast/3-series#.VPyD7PnF-So
BTW, I cannot find the Triton II kit description anywhere. There is the "Triton" but no "Triton II." Can someone share a link?
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You bi-amping the A400's? Just curious, as the very few posts I've come across where owners were running their A400's bi-amped, the results were positive.
jeff
This would make a fantastic system for its size. I bought a couple out of curiosity for $225. Can't beat them for the money. Made me a little sad to be honest. A lot of these active products in the studio/prosound world are making diy obsolete. At least on the budget end of the spectrum.
Measurements are as solid as you can realistically ask for.
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