Out of looking for something better than MICA i found this:
http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf/AYA0000/AYA0000CE2.pdf
Digikey has it. The specs are beyond impressive : 1950 W/(m·K) conductivity !
But at $27 a pad....
Not so bad, I'm seeing that price per sheet not pad. Several pads can be cut from a 90 X 110 mm sheet (as one example).
Steve Z
Panasonic film looks like its electrically conductive ?
Yes, but when I did some math, for a piece of 18mm x 21mm of 50um thick PGS with electrical conductivity of 10000S/cm, the resistance is 1.3x10^-7 Ohms. (0.00000013 Ohms)
Somebody check my math!?
it has been confirmed that it works
maybe the added goo grease does the trick
but they also say just one little tiny 'something' jammed between device an heatsink, and it may all be over fast
other than that, I wonder if the very low insulation resistance could cause instability issues ?
maybe the added goo grease does the trick
but they also say just one little tiny 'something' jammed between device an heatsink, and it may all be over fast
other than that, I wonder if the very low insulation resistance could cause instability issues ?
I suspect that membrane might be more compliant than mica as the product is stated to 'flexible' - not sure. I usually scrape the heatsink stock I get from HS-USA with an old fashioned single edge razor blade, comes out close to a mirror surface. Never used any of the pieces from the forum store so I don't know how smooth they are.
Here is a good source for heatsink insulator techniques
ESP - Heatsink design and transistor mounting
ESP - Heatsink design and transistor mounting
Decision - Alu Oxide vs Mica pads
I purchased some Alu Oxide pads for the IRFP's
They are 2mm thick and have a thermal conductivity of 15.06 W/mK at 75°C
On the other hand Mica is 0.05 to 0.1mm thick (random) and has crappy thermal conductivity in the range of 0.5 W/mK
That means that if my Mica is 0.05mm then they are 40 times thinner but if they are 0.1mm they are only 20 times thinner.
One one hand they could be 50% worse than the AlO (if Mica is thick) or 50% better (if Mica is thin) in terms of thermal conductivity.
With the AlO there would be some risk of cracking them, but they look nice
Safe route (Mica) or AlO?
I purchased some Alu Oxide pads for the IRFP's
They are 2mm thick and have a thermal conductivity of 15.06 W/mK at 75°C
On the other hand Mica is 0.05 to 0.1mm thick (random) and has crappy thermal conductivity in the range of 0.5 W/mK
That means that if my Mica is 0.05mm then they are 40 times thinner but if they are 0.1mm they are only 20 times thinner.
One one hand they could be 50% worse than the AlO (if Mica is thick) or 50% better (if Mica is thin) in terms of thermal conductivity.
With the AlO there would be some risk of cracking them, but they look nice
Safe route (Mica) or AlO?
Great article !
Thanks !
Thanks !
Problem is that my Al2O3 are 2mm think hence close to the Mica... (since their conductivity will halve ? compared to the 1mm in the table p25)
At the size of To-247, I can only find 2mm thick insulators.
The Keratherm 86/82 seems hard to get ...
At the size of To-247, I can only find 2mm thick insulators.
The Keratherm 86/82 seems hard to get ...
Alternative is to look for the best mica and shave it as thin as you can.
Mica quality varies, depending on the origin location.
Does require patience and a steady hand.
(by coincidence, I eyeballed a lot of mica at the geology faculty of the Amsterdam university, studied physical geography there)
Mica quality varies, depending on the origin location.
Does require patience and a steady hand.
(by coincidence, I eyeballed a lot of mica at the geology faculty of the Amsterdam university, studied physical geography there)
Thanks for the link.
But Out of Stock - no news since Sept 2013
But Out of Stock - no news since Sept 2013
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