I'm just reminded, of coming across a website some time ago which included a 'pro' audio sound manipulation unit, a deadly serious effort, which proclaimed how it could be used to "improve" the cymbal sounds in a recording.
It had firstly the raw sound of the cymbals, very nice I thought, nicely captured the shimmer and harmonics of the real thing, resonated nicely on the ears. Then, we had the first round of manipulation - the shimmer was mostly gone, we now had some sort of zingy, but deadened sound, the next level got worse, the intrinsic sound of the cymbals was squashed even more, replaced by a rather dead replicant of some sort of 'sparkly' sound. Of course, every variation of the native sound was pretty dreadful, the sort of thing you hear from a kid's $100 synthesizer from the supermarket. Help! I thought, have things really got so bad! Can't anyone stand the sound of real instruments any more, perhaps? The era of totally predigested, regurgitated from the stomachs of various sound processors music is fast approaching, where the presence of 'real' sounds will be met with fear and panic ...
It had firstly the raw sound of the cymbals, very nice I thought, nicely captured the shimmer and harmonics of the real thing, resonated nicely on the ears. Then, we had the first round of manipulation - the shimmer was mostly gone, we now had some sort of zingy, but deadened sound, the next level got worse, the intrinsic sound of the cymbals was squashed even more, replaced by a rather dead replicant of some sort of 'sparkly' sound. Of course, every variation of the native sound was pretty dreadful, the sort of thing you hear from a kid's $100 synthesizer from the supermarket. Help! I thought, have things really got so bad! Can't anyone stand the sound of real instruments any more, perhaps? The era of totally predigested, regurgitated from the stomachs of various sound processors music is fast approaching, where the presence of 'real' sounds will be met with fear and panic ...
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More irony .....
Your the one with the put up , not me, so how are you going to determine how a cable sound without golden ears , explain ....
Har dee har har glad you find everything so funny (
) Your isn't You're by the way
I just did explain in my last post how to determine a neutral cable but I guess the real irony is how you glossed over it and decided to make it a laugh riot instead.A combination of listening and MEASURING.......can you see that word? Have you ever done any of those? I am guessing not. If you think a cable sounds different then measure it just to be sure you aren't being influenced by sight bias or price
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Floyd Toole has written quite a lot on what sounds the best when it comes to speakers and guess what.......most preferred a speaker that measures flat. The same should apply to any audio component.
. "Golden ears" in case you have never heard (pun intended) the term, are those that think their listening abilities have no flaws and they can pick differences that in reality do not even exist. Don't even talk to them about measurements, none needed.
Now go have another drink.
First you subjectively state how hard it is to get "accurate" cymbal sound then turn around and say others can't be the final judge for audio "quality"
So which is it?
Yes bad. I'm afraid I never purchased any MJ though I admit there is a Britten connection. You will find no pop music in the LP's I have saved except maybe a Japanese pressing of Pink Floyd that refuses to track.
My references are David Lewiston's Tibetan field recordings on Nonesuch(stereo pair into Nagra no processing at all) as well as a few of David Burge's LP's, the BBC The Flight of the Condor soundtrack, Popul Vuh, and various RCA Reiner recordings.
When I'm in the mood for pop I put on some 80's hardcore or British Oi! music. How could I forget of course Kraftwerk.
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Har dee har har glad you find everything so funny (
Your isn't You're by the way
I just did explain in my last post how to determine a neutral cable but I guess the real irony is how you glossed over it and decided to make it a laugh riot instead.A combination of listening and MEASURING.......can you see that word? Have you ever done any of those? I am guessing not. If you think a cable sounds different then measure it just to be sure you aren't being influenced by sight bias or price
.
Floyd Toole has written quite a lot on what sounds the best when it comes to speakers and guess what.......most preferred a speaker that measures flat. The same should apply to any audio component.
. "Golden ears" in case you have never heard (pun intended) the term, are those that think their listening abilities have no flaws and they can pick differences that in reality do not even exist. Don't even talk to them about measurements, none needed.
Now go have another drink.
Me tinks you missed my question, so i will ask for the fifth time. How are you determining neutral cable, what is your procedure, cables as well as speakers will sound differently even with "flat" response, so define flat and your procedure ...
Yep, very difficult to do , especially with a point source speaker ...
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Yes it will, well until better , i have not heard better and i have 7 different recordings of the 1812, (4 lp/3cd) The Mercury recording is easily the best (LP) the digital is the best of my CD's there is some digital clipping( to much for 16/44
) but it still gets it right enuff to better the rest, the bells are off the chain right ...
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I don't have much of a problem with Comcast video sound. It sounds 'compromised' but not by a whole lot. I listen to a lot of music through Comcast video, such as the 3 hour presentation of 'Woodstock' shown the other night.
I have 4 'radio' sources easily available, 3 in my living room.
First, just a computer speaker driven by a Sony portable radio.
Second, Comcast (same station capable) with a pair of Sequerra Met 7's.
Third, a modified Sony digital radio (recommended by Dick Sequerra) driving a CTC Blowtorch, large Parasound power amp, and a pair of Sashas.
I can listen to each source with the same quality radio station KQED.
Most of the time, like now, I am only interested in info, so the first system is available.
However, if I wanted audio or video sound playback that is more refined, then I use source 2. This way, I get more bass, somewhat more clarity, and the convenience of remote control.
However, IF the radio station is playing 'A Prairie Home Companion' with nearly live music, well recorded and played back at apparently the highest fidelity possible, then I try to listen with source 3. This is where you find how Comcast fails in 'absolute fidelity'.
Without these comparisons, it would not be so apparent.
I have 4 'radio' sources easily available, 3 in my living room.
First, just a computer speaker driven by a Sony portable radio.
Second, Comcast (same station capable) with a pair of Sequerra Met 7's.
Third, a modified Sony digital radio (recommended by Dick Sequerra) driving a CTC Blowtorch, large Parasound power amp, and a pair of Sashas.
I can listen to each source with the same quality radio station KQED.
Most of the time, like now, I am only interested in info, so the first system is available.
However, if I wanted audio or video sound playback that is more refined, then I use source 2. This way, I get more bass, somewhat more clarity, and the convenience of remote control.
However, IF the radio station is playing 'A Prairie Home Companion' with nearly live music, well recorded and played back at apparently the highest fidelity possible, then I try to listen with source 3. This is where you find how Comcast fails in 'absolute fidelity'.
Without these comparisons, it would not be so apparent.
I myself use the Tuner for classical listening more than the sat/ cable feed. The tuner is not bad at all when the radio station engineer is paying attn. Even on Public radio , their late night Jazz programming is very good , of course it depends on the engineer running the program that night ....
Last week I might have said, "figures..."
but now I understand. You just need a trip to Dick Burwen's basement with 30' concrete horns and 20kW's of amps to cure the SPL needs. He lives near Hanscom field, so they let him record an F15 taking off from the end of the runway, yes needs more than 16bits.
I know off Burwen ...:
20,000 Watt Home Hi-Fi System
When the kids move on, I will make room and challenge ....
20,000 Watt Home Hi-Fi System
When the kids move on, I will make room and challenge ....
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Since I built a portable media player, using a combo of Si4735D60/MAX9729/TPA3100D2, that is all I listen too, FM, from my fav station ~75 miles away, CIXL, all the way across Lake Ontario to Lake Simcoe. It is quite the technological feat, in my opinion. It is mono or full blend, as I do not want the stereo noise to affect the fidelity. I can hear the transmission irregularities perfectly, as I get the odd drop in signal or is that a sun spot burst,lighting in the vicinity. Today it is snowing lightly and I am still getting a 17-25dBuV sig. Sun down causes the most atmospheric irregularities.
I compared the Si4735D60 against the old Pioneer SX-950(yes, I tuned it up using a RF SG), the 950 can not pull-in a station of lower sig level, sandwiched between two stronger adjacent carriers. It must be adj ch selectivity!! Same antennas system/cable.
Even WNED out of Buffalo/Grande Island? comes in stronger as they must have more power &/or higher antenna.
An antenna/amp/rotor allow for min muti-path.
The dsp munching on the FM, results in very respectable SQ. Led Z sounds just fine!!
Audio over the internet(Jango)/ BELL sat(Galaxy) does not sound as good as FM IMO!!
You guys, should get up to speed and try this new technology out.
Even the cat, has one going down stairs (burn-in unit) in the basement, they draw very little juice. The LCD acts as a night light too, not that the cat needs it, I am the one walking into the walls in the dark ;-)
Cheers
I'm not about to explain anything else to someone who states, "cables as well as speakers will sound differently even with "flat response""Speakers? Well of course. Cables? Not hardly. I give up.
As far as I am concerned, you are a lost cause.
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