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My take on this is that lampizator dac probably sounds excellent compared to other dacs in similar topology. It is surely more labor intensive than most of them which normally would qualify for higher asking price .People are really willing to pay for esoteric well "oiled" by trendy so called independent reviewers especially if somebody has a nice blog like lampizator. I'm just not sure his construction techniques are a sign of disdain to industry standards and approved models or he simply is a sloppy builder unable or unwilling to make it better than spreading blobs of hot glue all over the chassis.
Its a true audiophile design, paying homage to all that is important in audiophile electronic design and physics, star points, long wires going between a and b with no corresponding ground wire to carry the return current, instead let it meander round all the star wires until it eventually finds its way home, bad enough for low level analogue, suicide for digital, valve outputs and filters connected with single wires so again any digital remnants of the D to A conversion can be spread all over and add to the voicing of the device and probably half the gear in a 100m radious.

I was going to be very petty, but have calmed down now and just have to cope with DF96's revelation about Santa:eek:
 
From the pictures, the PCBs have their own ground plane, but are connected to one main star ground.

I will try find the statement regarding the PCBs from his site. There does mlook to be some ground plane on the pictures but they are all either low quality or taken with such a small depth of field that details are not clear. (Oh I use the next to the bottom of the range Nikon DSLR, so I would presume that any comments I have about photos to be disregarded by the same rules as well).
 
...."It is a few years since I last visited his site, but I remember it as being chatty but mistaken, plausible (to those not in the know) but "original". I guess this might seem to be a "nice blog" to some people.
Ugly circuits can sometimes work quite well. Bad circuits cannot, but given a sufficiently 'good' supporting story many people will suspend what critical faculties they have and accept problems; even sometimes preferring the problems
As I have said before, I blame all this on the poor state of science education in our schools...."


I blame it rather on poor musical education .Circuits are rather irrelevant since most of good ones according to science sound rather bad excluding accidental accomplishments. It's the ONLY reason people are willing to pay lampizator rather than electricians from Sony. They already had everything what Sony managed to boil in most science oriented culture. Rgrds,L
 
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Circuits are rather irrelevant since most of good ones according to science sound rather bad excluding accidental accomplishments.
A claim that circuits are "rather irrelevant" can only come from someone who doesn't understand them but is seeking to divert attention from this. In audio electronics it would be difficult to think of anything more relevant than circuits. There are other areas which are equally relevant, such as psychoacoustics, acoustics, electromechanics etc. but to say that circuits are of little relevance is just daft.

Some people are willing to pay silly money for poor design either through ignorance, fashion-following or a preference for expensive FX boxes masquerading as 'high-end' audio. Each to their own, but don't claim that distortion is superior to fidelity or ignorance is superior to knowledge.
 
Yes , distortion can be far superior to fidelity as you seem to understand it but you're right I have rather shallow knowledge of circuits.
and sorry, we can make only assumption of how that FX box performs. From construction point of view it looks like expensive garbage. That's why I posted the picture. The sound itself is entirely different matter. Regards , L
 
You listen to cds off a PC and use Logitech CD players and have the cheek to criticise Lampizator...
Not much point in getting things measured if you are happy with the sound from the above.
Lampizators products would be wasted on you me think.

Rather interesting considering Batteryman comments dont you think Batteryman

Lampizator | GPoint-Audio

Lampizator Transport what is it based on?

Further reading:
Lampizator Transport

Rather pours water on your patronising comments; dont you think; Batteryman
 
Yes , distortion can be far superior to fidelity as you seem to understand it but you're right I have rather shallow knowledge of circuits.
and sorry, we can make only assumption of how that FX box performs. From construction point of view it looks like expensive garbage. That's why I posted the picture. The sound itself is entirely different matter. Regards , L

I believe that true audiophile tinkering is actually the art of adding noise to differentiate there designs from others, a true neutral system would sound bad, thin and not suitable for audiophiles.

As to the comments regarding circuitry, I know how to lay out quite circuitry, and what has been shown is not the way to do it.
 
I blame it rather on poor musical education .Circuits are rather irrelevant since most of good ones according to science sound rather bad excluding accidental accomplishments. It's the ONLY reason people are willing to pay lampizator rather than electricians from Sony. They already had everything what Sony managed to boil in most science oriented culture. Rgrds,L

Nope, most of the good ones according to science and engineering do not sound bad, low noise analogue and digital design is done in so many other fields including audio, most professional gear is done based on standard engineering practice, not audiophile beliefs.
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Nope, most of the good ones according to science and engineering do not sound bad, low noise analogue and digital design is done in so many other fields including audio, most professional gear is done based on standard engineering practice, not audiophile beliefs.
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No , they don't sound bad I agree . They sound average which is a notch above bad and are rather useless for any serious audio purpose. The fact that the level of quality is satisfactory to 98% of audio lemmings doesn't bother me at all.:D
 
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Yes , distortion can be far superior to fidelity as you seem to understand it but you're right I have rather shallow knowledge of circuits.
I understand fidelity as meaning that the output of an amp is merely (and boringly?) an amplified version of its input; the output of a DAC is merely identical to the output of the anti-aliasing filter before the ADC. I am not aware of any alternative definition.

Learn about circuits. Then you will understand things which at present go way over your head.

They sound average which is a notch above bad and are rather useless for any serious audio purpose.
So the 2% of audio non-lemmings with 'superior' ears require added distortion and frequency response variations to satisfy their needs? If you wish to be taken seriously you will have to do better than that.
 
Lampizator Big six while under construction:

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Have you never wondered about ALL the low noise sensitive analogue and digital circuitry that is designed using accepted engineering practices and know physics, that is far more cutting edge than audio. I’m sorry to disappoint you but there are no Audiophile engineering or physics beliefs that will improve things above known engineering practices, in fact most of the way out ideas I have seen have been detrimental and are more likely to add noise or create distortion.
 
Have you never wondered about ALL the low noise sensitive analogue and digital circuitry that is designed using accepted engineering practices and know physics, that is far more cutting edge than audio. I’m sorry to disappoint you but there are no Audiophile engineering or physics beliefs that will improve things above known engineering practices, in fact most of the way out ideas I have seen have been detrimental and are more likely to add noise or create distortion.
 
Have you never wondered about ALL the low noise sensitive analogue and digital circuitry that is designed using accepted engineering practices and know physics, that is far more cutting edge than audio. I’m sorry to disappoint you but there are no Audiophile engineering or physics beliefs that will improve things above known engineering practices, in fact most of the way out ideas I have seen have been detrimental and are more likely to add noise or create distortion.

Agree at 1000%.

Awkward design, questionable claims (smelling charlatanry), performance from poor to average, and staggering price is a common plague of so called audiophile equipment.
There are not so much high-end brands which still can be trusted.
 
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Have not seen, nor heard any of his gear. I only remember that he sold some of his stuff as "kits" in the past. Not all the pictures of his gear are necessarily his personal construction.

As for myself, I built the AudioNoteKits DAC4.1 for less than the Lampizator. The factory AudioNote Gear can get pricey though.
 
I believe that true audiophile tinkering is actually the art of adding noise to differentiate there designs from others, a true neutral system would sound bad, thin and not suitable for audiophiles.
This is not correct, marce, mostly certainly not "bad" or "thin". A neutral system is one which doesn't overly distort low level information, and unfortunately the majority fail in this respect - something which normal testing never looks for, nor catches ...
 
I understand fidelity as meaning that the output of an amp is merely (and boringly?) an amplified version of its input; the output of a DAC is merely identical to the output of the anti-aliasing filter before the ADC. I am not aware of any alternative definition.

Learn about circuits. Then you will understand things which at present go way over your head.


So the 2% of audio non-lemmings with 'superior' ears require added distortion and frequency response variations to satisfy their needs? If you wish to be taken seriously you will have to do better than that.

Not quite sure how learning circuits will make a better listener. I do not care for respect here . After chasing my tail and spending chunk of time and money I decided that I'd rather be happy (idiot) than right. Nothing wrong if you get stimulated by something else. I think you're wrong but it'S A VERY PERSONAL HOBBY. Do not take my "lemming" remark personally .I think percentage of people who care how the music should be reproduced is less than 2% of population. Rgrds, L
 
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