hi im new here its my first post .nice to meet you all.
im leave in israel my system is : leben cs600 amp , speakers devore nines ,my source was cd player cary cdp1 but i sold it.
now i was use rdac dac and pc fujitsu q1500 iion pc .
my dac is in fixing and my pc i like to use it for media center only for xbmc.
i like to know few things :
what is better source with dac that i will buy now i dont know what is better bcz all the dacs that i test in my house more and less not have different in the sound quality , i test dacs from 400$ -1500$ and nothing happen lol
(rdac canbridge azur 640,teddy dac , orb jade 2(was terrible dac) ).
if i use :
1. pc-->digital-->dac
2. pc-->usb spdif convert-->dac
3. squeezebox-->digital-->dac
what will be more quality and musically from this 3 options and why ?
and another thing is there is areally good dac in budget of 500$-1000$ (i get recommention to metrum octave mini nos dac is it really worth it ?)
im leave in israel my system is : leben cs600 amp , speakers devore nines ,my source was cd player cary cdp1 but i sold it.
now i was use rdac dac and pc fujitsu q1500 iion pc .
my dac is in fixing and my pc i like to use it for media center only for xbmc.
i like to know few things :
what is better source with dac that i will buy now i dont know what is better bcz all the dacs that i test in my house more and less not have different in the sound quality , i test dacs from 400$ -1500$ and nothing happen lol
(rdac canbridge azur 640,teddy dac , orb jade 2(was terrible dac) ). if i use :
1. pc-->digital-->dac
2. pc-->usb spdif convert-->dac
3. squeezebox-->digital-->dac
what will be more quality and musically from this 3 options and why ?
and another thing is there is areally good dac in budget of 500$-1000$ (i get recommention to metrum octave mini nos dac is it really worth it ?)
Hello Guy
at first
do you know ASIO4ALL - Universal ASIO Driver ?
Sadly Squezzebox is obsolete
means
out of production.
at first
do you know ASIO4ALL - Universal ASIO Driver ?
Sadly Squezzebox is obsolete
means
out of production.
Hello Guy
at first
do you know ASIO4ALL - Universal ASIO Driver ?
Sadly Squezzebox is obsolete
means
out of production.
Hardly...Squeezebox Touch is widely available, reasonable (<$300 online) and sounds great!
I can and do use both methods, USB to SPDIF or Squeezebox digital out. Can't hear a difference.
I bough the Squeezebox touch because I thought it would work as a stand-alone player. It does not, at least not if you have a large number of files. The internal server can't handle a large number of files on the local USB. When it works, it's fine, but it crashes easily. So you need a file server running somewhere for it to draw from.
If you plan to have a file server always running then Squeezebox is great. But at that point there are other ways to do the same thing, E.G. USB to SPDIF, digital out of a soundcard, or Ethernet connected renderer.
I bough the Squeezebox touch because I thought it would work as a stand-alone player. It does not, at least not if you have a large number of files. The internal server can't handle a large number of files on the local USB. When it works, it's fine, but it crashes easily. So you need a file server running somewhere for it to draw from.
If you plan to have a file server always running then Squeezebox is great. But at that point there are other ways to do the same thing, E.G. USB to SPDIF, digital out of a soundcard, or Ethernet connected renderer.
thanks alot for the responses .
i still not understand what will be more quality from the 3 methods that i was mention above ?
i m was use pc -->usb-->dac (rdac) . work with foobar asio 4 all and kernal streaming and the sound was good i used pc ion media center small (fujitsu Q1500) silent and use core 2 dou ,the sound card that build in the pc was only toslink and it was without coaxial out i think bcz the pc so small and connector that build in can only use toslink out from the cord.
so i use only usb .
i still not understand what will be more good if i connected squeezebox classy coax digital out to the rdac or use pc usb asy dac ?
another thing maybe i will buy better dac that dont have usb in and only coaxial and toslink maybe (metrum octave mini nos dac ) what u think of that dac is it will be really imporve the sound in my system then my rdac ?
i still not understand what will be more quality from the 3 methods that i was mention above ?
i m was use pc -->usb-->dac (rdac) . work with foobar asio 4 all and kernal streaming and the sound was good i used pc ion media center small (fujitsu Q1500) silent and use core 2 dou ,the sound card that build in the pc was only toslink and it was without coaxial out i think bcz the pc so small and connector that build in can only use toslink out from the cord.
so i use only usb .
i still not understand what will be more good if i connected squeezebox classy coax digital out to the rdac or use pc usb asy dac ?
another thing maybe i will buy better dac that dont have usb in and only coaxial and toslink maybe (metrum octave mini nos dac ) what u think of that dac is it will be really imporve the sound in my system then my rdac ?
Could you try to explain that sentence again ? What means "squeezebox classy" for example ?
Yes, ok not necessarily so. I just assumed that the clock of a decent DAC (in this case a Arcam rDAC Arcam - rDAC-/-rDAC-kw - Digital to Analogue Converter ) has lower jitter than a PC. I the case of asychronous the DACs clock is the master clock (the PC just delivers the data). Usually it´s preferred to use the clock of the DAC as the master clock, thats the way it´s done in studios (AES/EBU).
Bit perfect and jitter are two entirely different things. For bit perfect you do not want to manipulate your player and/or OS the output (no EQ, no resampling). On a Mac for example it would be sufficient to set the volume at max., switch off EQ and in Audio MIDI Setup set the sample rate to match the file you play.
In the case of a SPDIF (and synchronous USB) connection the DAC regenerates the clock from the incomig signal. The DAC might have some circuity to lower the jitter of this regenerated clock.
In the case of asynchronous USB the internal clock of the DAC is used which should give lower jitter. If, and if yes, how much jitter is audible is debatable of course, but as the setup of the OP allows the "low jitter route" by asychronous USB, why not use that ?
In the case of a SPDIF (and synchronous USB) connection the DAC regenerates the clock from the incomig signal. The DAC might have some circuity to lower the jitter of this regenerated clock.
In the case of asynchronous USB the internal clock of the DAC is used which should give lower jitter. If, and if yes, how much jitter is audible is debatable of course, but as the setup of the OP allows the "low jitter route" by asychronous USB, why not use that ?
I thinks he means Squeezebox Classic (3rd generation).
And he want's to know if he get's better audio from his Squeezebox or from a PC with an USB attached DAC.
By the way there is a similar question on this forum: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/189587-squeezebox-dac-vs-pc-dac-audio-quality.html
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Hi Guy,
Got a squeezebox duet first if you find, a clasical after in second choice.
Used standalone it's good for the price, but hard to tweak (try Lampizator : simple tweaks for digital layout are great). The problems is to change the out caps of the wolfson converter : hard with a risk of destroying the layout.
Note that you need a pc with a squeezebox classic or duet, you can too use a little server like synology which is cheap, logitechserver friendly, easy to mirroring with 2 x 2 Go disk. I like the remote solded with the duet and can use a freesoft even better for my android or iphone for pizzas and beers listening experiences shared with Paolo Fresu ,Led Zeppelin, Verdi without effort.
Better of course with a DAC with spidf from your squeezebox so the choice of pc or squeezebox is not for the sound if you have money for DAC. I assume that squeezebox duett if you can find one is for me the ultimate streamer because without wires from the CDs collection (wifi with buffer) to the amp with its remote digital level (thinked in term on pizzas experience). It's not easy to haveyour laptop (if you want no noise) and a wire through the room to your streamer (not WAF) or not biautiful near the speakers. I'm verry surprised then i find now good preamp or digital equipment without remote !
I've no problem with squeezebox server soft (but need 256 Kram just for it) with the 4500 Cds.
With pc or with squeezebox, i will take the Iancanada jitter killer for the DAC you want. I have a RaindropHui mono 1865 but with a lowgrade chip marked High (N-K grade). You have choice here with a lot of good design or commercial dac like CS4398 of hifimediy for 100 dollars !
So your problem for your dmaterialised project is with or without wires, which DAC at the end.
Hope my experience helps you
Eldam
Got a squeezebox duet first if you find, a clasical after in second choice.
Used standalone it's good for the price, but hard to tweak (try Lampizator : simple tweaks for digital layout are great). The problems is to change the out caps of the wolfson converter : hard with a risk of destroying the layout.
Note that you need a pc with a squeezebox classic or duet, you can too use a little server like synology which is cheap, logitechserver friendly, easy to mirroring with 2 x 2 Go disk. I like the remote solded with the duet and can use a freesoft even better for my android or iphone for pizzas and beers listening experiences shared with Paolo Fresu ,Led Zeppelin, Verdi without effort.
Better of course with a DAC with spidf from your squeezebox so the choice of pc or squeezebox is not for the sound if you have money for DAC. I assume that squeezebox duett if you can find one is for me the ultimate streamer because without wires from the CDs collection (wifi with buffer) to the amp with its remote digital level (thinked in term on pizzas experience). It's not easy to haveyour laptop (if you want no noise) and a wire through the room to your streamer (not WAF) or not biautiful near the speakers. I'm verry surprised then i find now good preamp or digital equipment without remote !
I've no problem with squeezebox server soft (but need 256 Kram just for it) with the 4500 Cds.
With pc or with squeezebox, i will take the Iancanada jitter killer for the DAC you want. I have a RaindropHui mono 1865 but with a lowgrade chip marked High (N-K grade). You have choice here with a lot of good design or commercial dac like CS4398 of hifimediy for 100 dollars !
So your problem for your dmaterialised project is with or without wires, which DAC at the end.
Hope my experience helps you
Eldam
Hi StudioStevus,
Yes a very good smart streamer (and radio an DAC all in one for the lazy audiophil), I can't understand why Logitech give it up ? In advance on its time when it was brandnew ? A financial like "our job is TV remote & computers items our patry" & the last audiophile of this company had a nervous breakdown after that ???
Do you use the spdif behind the ad hoc plug of your Duet or do you take the signal behind the r202 resistor on the layout à la Lampizator ? Did you tweak it ? Saw here and there that people add a better powersupply (linear) but i found the little genuine one not bad at all with its long resistive wire between the cap of the layout and the "bad smps block"
Do you have the layout of Iancanada to feed your dc with a spdif to I2S signal ? (if yes did you see a greatr sound with the same DAC after ?)
Sorry Guy, I don't want to hijack your post, I'm very interested to by your question, cause i think like you as a non tech to understand that spdif was the problem if you don't use I2S and CDs...
Yes a very good smart streamer (and radio an DAC all in one for the lazy audiophil), I can't understand why Logitech give it up ? In advance on its time when it was brandnew ? A financial like "our job is TV remote & computers items our patry" & the last audiophile of this company had a nervous breakdown after that ???
Do you use the spdif behind the ad hoc plug of your Duet or do you take the signal behind the r202 resistor on the layout à la Lampizator ? Did you tweak it ? Saw here and there that people add a better powersupply (linear) but i found the little genuine one not bad at all with its long resistive wire between the cap of the layout and the "bad smps block"
Do you have the layout of Iancanada to feed your dc with a spdif to I2S signal ? (if yes did you see a greatr sound with the same DAC after ?)
Sorry Guy, I don't want to hijack your post, I'm very interested to by your question, cause i think like you as a non tech
to understand that spdif was the problem if you don't use I2S and CDs...
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Eldam said:Do you use the spdif behind the ad hoc plug of your Duet or do you take the signal behind the r202 resistor on the layout à la Lampizator ? Did you tweak it ? Saw here and there that people add a better powersupply (linear) but i found the little genuine one not bad at all with its long resistive wire between the cap of the layout and the "bad smps block"
Do you have the layout of Iancanada to feed your dc with a spdif to I2S signal ? (if yes did you see a greatr sound with the same DAC after ?)
i have the sb in the same box as my dac.
- thereby taking i2s from somewhere on the board
- using a better power supply
- providing a stable clock signal to the sb from a masterclock
This is probably as much as one can do. Powering individual chips on the sb has probably no effect given that i am only using the processor and reclocking externally...
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