my room isn't nervous - it might be when it sees these speakers tho
The Fountek ribbons look cool but have lowish power handling for a sensitivity of 93dB/w/m. They'll not stand much power compared to the mid & bass if I give it some. The probably wont mate to the mids very well either?
Am I limited to CD with a horn?
The Fountek ribbons look cool but have lowish power handling for a sensitivity of 93dB/w/m. They'll not stand much power compared to the mid & bass if I give it some. The probably wont mate to the mids very well either?
Am I limited to CD with a horn?
;-)
Loudspeakers are the 'muscle' of an audio system, nirvana come from somewhere else. I guess some need a semi-tractor-trailer to bring home the groceries. That would make any spouse nervous, particularly when it gets parked in the front living room.
Regards,
WHG
Loudspeakers are the 'muscle' of an audio system, nirvana come from somewhere else. I guess some need a semi-tractor-trailer to bring home the groceries. That would make any spouse nervous, particularly when it gets parked in the front living room.
Regards,
WHG
my friend got hold of a old pair of well built Cervin
I would say old enough to be vintage
15" woofer, 6" mid, small tweeter
anyway, they were ok, and played really loud and clean
just what he had dreamt of half his life
then I took out the mids and reversed phase
and we were both stunned, and couldnt believe what we heard
reluctantly I have to admit, its able to play louder than I can bare for very long, or at all for that matter, and it remains controlled, well behaved, and still sounds like pretty good hifi quality
and that with plain ordinary electronics
makes people laugh, I know
but believe it or not, it is real, and very surpricing, yes
I could hardly believe it either
mind you, I only know this one
and once again, it was only revealed only after reversing phase on the mids
food for thoughts I would say
I would say old enough to be vintage
15" woofer, 6" mid, small tweeter
anyway, they were ok, and played really loud and clean
just what he had dreamt of half his life
then I took out the mids and reversed phase
and we were both stunned, and couldnt believe what we heard
reluctantly I have to admit, its able to play louder than I can bare for very long, or at all for that matter, and it remains controlled, well behaved, and still sounds like pretty good hifi quality
and that with plain ordinary electronics
makes people laugh, I know
but believe it or not, it is real, and very surpricing, yes
I could hardly believe it either
mind you, I only know this one
and once again, it was only revealed only after reversing phase on the mids
food for thoughts I would say
You can do that with subs. Also things start to sound a bit thin without that last octave and a half. Just pick the right midwoofers and subs and it can sound really good with the solid foundation subs give you and all the snap you are looking for.
Rob
Absolutely. Also overlooked is the role of the deep stuff in ambience. You really do miss it when it's not there- there's a spaciousness to sound with true deep bass that simply doesn't happen without the bottom octave.
I think a compression driver might be your best bet.
BMS make a few 1" ones which may be suitable. The 4544 and 4550 go down low enough for a 90x40 horn or you could use a 70 or 60x40 horn, cross at 1.9k and use the 4538.
The cheapest place for the latter is Thomann where it retails at about £60 a pop.
BMS make a few 1" ones which may be suitable. The 4544 and 4550 go down low enough for a 90x40 horn or you could use a 70 or 60x40 horn, cross at 1.9k and use the 4538.
The cheapest place for the latter is Thomann where it retails at about £60 a pop.
I'd like to hear how you get nirvana without speakers! "Nice looking amp. How does it sound?" ---- It doesn't. "Cool turntable!! how does it........?"
And yes, 'some' do need, and worst of all want, larger speakers. 'Some' may be content with a wicker basket on the front of a bicycle 'to bring home the groceries' - and good for them!
To be clear I'm only after design help. I don't require and am not soliciting validation, permission, approval or disparaging comments. There is yet not sufficient information to say these speakers will be too large, will cause sonic issues within their final resting place or create any noticeable change in spousal wellbeing.
They are going to be big. Otherwise the thread would be titled 'And now for something REALLY............normal'
Yup! sometimes things just work and it can be the simplest of changes that make the difference
And again, Yup! I find its like adding a tweeter to my 12lta - more space more air etc etc. Add a sub and again the space opens up farther, if not more!
+1 on the BMS drivers if they fall within the OP's budget. Selenium D220Ti is good at its price point, but BMS 4550 is a step if not two steps above.
Will all the quality and relatively affordable drivers available nowadays, I would not go as far as building a 4-way myself. There are a lot of recipes for fantastic 2-ways and you could always count an added subwoofer at the third channel, though there could be different implementations of stand-alone 3-way, such as what is being considered here.
Either the Fane or Celestion 10" will allow for full rated power without exceeding Xmax in a ~10 liter sealed enclosure, with a 200Hz 2nd order Xover. That leaves ample room for choice of "super-woofer" underneath. Aiming for an f3 in the 30ies is feasible, with the possibility of having useful output into the 20ies depending on the bass alignement.
IG
Will all the quality and relatively affordable drivers available nowadays, I would not go as far as building a 4-way myself. There are a lot of recipes for fantastic 2-ways and you could always count an added subwoofer at the third channel, though there could be different implementations of stand-alone 3-way, such as what is being considered here.
Either the Fane or Celestion 10" will allow for full rated power without exceeding Xmax in a ~10 liter sealed enclosure, with a 200Hz 2nd order Xover. That leaves ample room for choice of "super-woofer" underneath. Aiming for an f3 in the 30ies is feasible, with the possibility of having useful output into the 20ies depending on the bass alignement.
IG
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Earlier, some “design help” was given and apparently not liked. Now comments made in a response, not addressed to the protestor, is being characterized as disparaging. The last sentence above says it all. WHG
Earlier, some “design help” was given and apparently not liked. Now comments made in a response, not addressed to the protestor, is being characterized as disparaging. The last sentence above says it all. WHG
Well, there will always be tradeoffs, but I really got lost when big more or less was ruled out in "smaller" rooms without acoustic treatment. I really can't see any other reason than response for any different need of treatment in a given room. One can tune a 6,5" and an 18" @40Hz, but it will probably sound different when pushed.
This, I think, is the crux of it. The lower distortion of big speakers obliterates the nit-picky concerns of audiophiles. As the old EV Sentry ads said, "Bring your dancing shoes!"
Maybe not nirvana, but there is certainly joy in listening to music at realistic levels. Levels that typical home speakers can't hope to achieve without distorting not only themselves, but the amplifiers, as well. At the levels I prefer, the walls and floor are distorting, but that's just part of the experience, like the loud motor and wind noise of a fast car.
Bingo! Realistic sounds. Even at low levels. And then upwards as loud as you dare
The body of a double bass doesn't need the massive excursion that a small speaker does to reproduce it. Neither does a 15" or 18" in a suitable box.
I got to hear a pair of Danley Synergy Horns again yesterday. What I would call a mid-size speaker, but it sounds much larger. It can also play loud as stink and never strain.
A DIY Synergy would be too difficult a job for me, tho. Some folks here have done it.
A DIY Synergy would be too difficult a job for me, tho. Some folks here have done it.
True true - my apologies
I've budget of around £800. Some rough maths based on drivers specced so far gives £3-400 for the bass, £1-200 for the mids and that leaves £2-400 for the HF. I've never built a multiway speaker before and alas have never heard a big JBL or Altec so am taking in wisdom from more seasoned builders as to spec's & what to look for, where I should spend and where I can reduce costs. Some options like the Altec 414 in an Onken 360 cabinet were mooted because purchase, transport & import costs alone would blow the budget.
If I can get perfectly good performance from a lower cost driver, I'll need to have a good reason to buy a more expensive alternative, but am willing to be reasoned with
. The mission statement - Large monitor sound & scale for sensible DIY price. I've mentioned that I take my bigger speakers out for day trips to larger spaces to let them rip, but this shouldn't be taken as their main purpose. Home listening is most important and I really value low level full freq. detail extraction. I assume, due to their size they will have extra 'headroom'. I would ideally like a 4344 or 4345 look - I don't like the clutter of extra subs so want an 'all in one place' design. If my goals can't be attained within budget then I am willing to adapt. The softly softly approach has beed adopted as I intend to procure the drivers over a 2 or 3 months and so I can search for the best deals and spread the cost. I have plenty of mdf & marine ply laying around to make the cabinets.
I can't really stretch the budget without adding extra months to save. Also as this is to be active, I'll need to purchase a minidsp 2x8 or similar, and eventually specific amps
Hope this helps. If you don't think I can achieve my goal do say so! All positive advice, alternatives, workarounds etc etc are welcome.
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