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PlasticIsGood

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M Gregg said:
Alexander Oparin,

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There is no fundamental difference between a living organism and lifeless matter. The complex combination of manifestations and properties so characteristic of life must have arisen in the process of the evolution of matter.

That says it all realy..do you believe this comment?
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Not quite...and I guess it is not a good translation..."fundamental" is misplaced. "Essential" would have been closer, but perhaps only in my mind.

It certainly doesn't say it all. As quoted, that first sentence reads like a statement of naïve materialism, which a good communist would regard with disdain.

It doesn't say it all because lies on the other side of a paradigm shift...its meaning can only be seen clearly from the other side. As Lenin pointed out, materialism is the easy bit...the dialectic is the hard part because it requires scholarship, an intellectual leap, and a strange journey. You wouldn't expect to understand relativity from a Wikipedia entry.

The dialectic totally transforms the meaning of materialism. In particular, it introduces the idea of revolution, via the "transformation of quantity to quality". To take a simplistic example from Engels, when you heat water it gets hotter, up to a point when something totally different happens, in that further quantities of heat lead to a qualitative change.

Ditto the "quote" from Oparin. If I say "there is no fundamental difference between water and steam", there is a sense in which I am right, and a sense in which I am wrong. Oparin I am sure would see life as a revolutionary development arising from quantitative, material change.

The answer is realy the bottom line..if its yes then is everything alive or dead?

Or do we differentiate some is alive and some is dead or there is no difference the term is not relevant..or everything has the potential to be alive.

Or nothing is alive its just a chemical reaction..
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Sometimes I'm reminded of how great Wikipedia is. Here, quoting Encarta, quoting J D Bernal:

"Life is a partial, continuous, progressive, multiform and conditionally interactive self-realization of the potentialities of atomic electron states."

So there...:confused:
 
PlasticIsGood

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M Gregg said:
Yes you are correct:eek:

If anyone has never watched this please take the time to watch it..its about 1hr long.

BBC iPlayer - Horizon: 2012-2013: How Big is the Universe?
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Interesting, informative, and infuriating.

There's times I want to strangle the telly. I could have done without the weird science voices, most of the distracting weirdness music and visuals, and much of the repetitive exposition. Not to mention celebrity scientist prima donnas. I feel the BBC should stand firm in the battle against myth and magic, and not pander to fairy-heads.

The meaning of "flat", applied to 3 dimensions, was never explained. The way angles were measured was glossed over.

Sadly, if they simply explained in flat tones, with straight facts and illuminating illustrations, few would watch. These days education is expected to be entertaining. Luckily we don't actually need many educated people.
 
M Gregg

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I find it interesting..

How the program fits in well with string theory..From what I can see..

The expansion is so interesting with the universes merging and explanes the question what is the universe expanding into..
This seemed more like the multiverse is flat rather than universe unless both are one and the same..

For fear of spoiling the program..Don't read this until you have watched it..

The universe is infinite..because it is flat ie it dosen't have an outer limit.

The universe is mainly dark matter and there is more invisible to us than there is visable.

The dark energy is responsible for the universe ever expanding and the dark energy increases with the expansion, and it opposes dark matters gravity.

Dark energy will increase beyond the amount of dark matter and the universe will keep expanding also the further away the galaxies are the faster they move apart due to dark energy increase.

I must admit it had a wow factor for me and seemed to tie everything togeather. This did answer so many questions for me..I guess it will be updated at some point.. :D

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M. Gregg
 
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M Gregg

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Just a thought,

With the universes merging...what happens if the universe we merge with has already expanded so dark energy is the dominant force...ie what would happen to ours:confused:

Would it suddenly just get very big (flooded with dark energy)and the sky go dark with no stars due to the distance..:eek:

Here is a thought..:D..what happens to a universe that has no dark energy only dark matter + gravity..that suddenly merges with a universe with dominant dark energy...(the big bang?)

:D Oh well..

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M. Gregg
 
M Gregg

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I am told,

That a flat universe is usually (in balance with matter and energy) and is a 4 dimension hypersphere with the remaining 7 dimensions of string theory rolled up as part of it. This may come to a steady halt..

Also the guy in question was not sure what effect Perlmutter's discovery had on the idea..

(Any ideas ?)
More research required I guess..:D

Another bit..
An open universe expands forever and a closed universe collapses..

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M. Gregg
 
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ByronInPortland

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I didn't watch all the You-tube videos linked to on this thread, but most casually mentioned they were looking for funding :$: to conduct further studies:scratch2:.

Consider that the nearest star to earth (Alpha Centauri) is 4.2 light years away, and the nearest found planet is 10.5 light years away. I pity the little green men who endure a 10-year journey (assuming they reach the speed of light) to find . . . :drunk::headshot::yikes::joker:
 
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ByronInLawrence said:
I didn't watch all the You-tube videos linked to on this thread, but most casually mentioned they were looking for funding :$: to conduct further studies:scratch2:.

Consider that the nearest star to earth (Alpha Centauri) is 4.2 light years away, and the nearest found planet is 10.5 light years away. I pity the little green men who endure a 10-year journey (assuming they reach the speed of light) to find . . . :drunk::headshot::yikes::joker:
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And that is half the reason why there are no aliens visiting us.

The other half is that evolution is an aimless process, there is no reason to assume that extraterrestrial lifeforms developed technology or intelligence as we understand it.
Life existed on this planet for about 3.5 billion years. It took over 2 billion years for multicellular forms to evolve and we had technology to explore beyond our planet for a mere 50 years.
And that is likely to disappear when the oil runs out because so far we have made no serious attempts whatsoever to avoid certain doom when that happens.
Without oil this planet can sustain a population of 1 billion people, I don't think the 'spare' 6 billion or so will go quietly.
 
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When resources are limited, animal populations become smaller in stature. No Oil or alternatives.... Midget bushmen are the future. If it really gets as bad as 6 inch midgets, we'll be competing with ferrule cats, and they are clearly better adapted. The great destiny of man: cat food. We better hope they like us as pets instead.
 
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