If Serb's are like the Irish I have no problem with Serb's . French are like Serb's if so . Discuss ! People are hi fi so not a diversion . If asking an Irishman how to get to a another place they he might say " I wouldn't start from here " . That is because in Irish culture which is like ancient Greece ( big story and not for this forum ) it is a slightly rude question as it implies you don't like the place you are at . It is better to say " supposing I wanted to go to so and so , how do I best do it " . I told a Frenchman that and he said . It is commonsense to say that , that's not especially Irish . Alas many English people I know have no idea about that .
In hi fi it should be hard to say " I wouldn't start from here " . Most of us do .
In hi fi it should be hard to say " I wouldn't start from here " . Most of us do .
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What I find strange is we don't get many German writers . Most are good in English . Is it that they have risen above these discussions ? I fear it might be that as the ones I know are passionate Audiophiles . I am an Audiophile with a handful of skills to allow me an honest opinion . I have the soldering iron burns to prove it .
Actually, the word is derived from Jan-Kees, a double Dutch first name. How could this ever be an insult?
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I was working on an acrylic platter for 301's just to know if it matters , alas the sample was wrong and now I have stopped working with them day to day . I hope someone has tried it . I am told brass is very good . Like Linn I believe in optimum platter mass . Linn and Garrard are about the same . Garrard's have very good timing ( rhythm ) . Neutrality is a mater of choosing the platter and mat ( mostly mat ) . Lenco's . I think I should buy one . The Garrard bearing is fine . We got -79 db form basically a 401 bearing . Funny thing is I see bearing conversions . Some that are a bit harmful as the Garrard spindle is by Linn standards soft ( 55 Rockwell , 6 micron finish which is plenty good enough ) .
BTW . Every time I conquered a supposed Garrard trait it just got better . I suspect same mass acyclic would be better . I thought originally that Garrard sounded dynamic due to Vibrato . Not so . They sound better without it . The rejected platter was because it was a different mass . It was no use to me as a first step comparison ( I asked for it and the engineer made it from material to hand ) . A bronze platter was not to my liking . Opera fashions my ultimate taste . However any music counts with me . I like jazz which could be the almost classical music ECM recordings for example . Beatles . Pink Floyd . Messiaen .
BTW . Every time I conquered a supposed Garrard trait it just got better . I suspect same mass acyclic would be better . I thought originally that Garrard sounded dynamic due to Vibrato . Not so . They sound better without it . The rejected platter was because it was a different mass . It was no use to me as a first step comparison ( I asked for it and the engineer made it from material to hand ) . A bronze platter was not to my liking . Opera fashions my ultimate taste . However any music counts with me . I like jazz which could be the almost classical music ECM recordings for example . Beatles . Pink Floyd . Messiaen .
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I would agree with that statement.
I've seen a couple of really old cutting lathes based on idler wheel drives but they were replaced in the '70s by lathes based on Technics SL1200 (cheap), SP10 (mid-priced) or EMT (cost no object) tables, all direct drive jobs.
My breif experiments with 1210's suggest to me they advanced beyond SP 10 . My ex engineer was so fed up with 401's that he has a 1210 with a 401 platter in a wood chassis . We machined the platter to fit . It is very good . We did approach another company for a motor . Alas money was against us . I would have used AC to power it of identical frequency to the usual square waves . It should be better . If the wave fits into the same window there is no reason why it wont work . The company we approach makes cutting lathes .
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Your brief experiments suggest wrongly.
The SP10 is the drive unit of what was the SL1000 tt and the 1200 is a scaled down, cheaper version of the SL1000 with a lesser drive and cheaper arm. The 1210 is the 'black' version of the SL1200.
In everything measurable the SL1200/1210 is inferior to the SP10/SL1000.
The SL1000 and SL1200 replaced Technics first DD TT the SL1100.
The SP10 is the drive unit of what was the SL1000 tt and the 1200 is a scaled down, cheaper version of the SL1000 with a lesser drive and cheaper arm. The 1210 is the 'black' version of the SL1200.
In everything measurable the SL1200/1210 is inferior to the SP10/SL1000.
The SL1000 and SL1200 replaced Technics first DD TT the SL1100.
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I agree with that technically . I think Technics perhaps engineered something special into 1210 . Rega showed me a direct drive where the servo had been relaxed . The wow was higher yet sounded better . I am not saying Technics did that . They might have done it as it was about sound and not measurements so much ( the thread we are on ). Remember disco people are very discerning . If it doesn't sound good then CD is preferable . We did have a son of ours build a disco with 401's .The other disco users were astonished . Disco kept LP's alive . It wasn't people like me . I am just a mouth .
The 1200/1210 was introduced in the early to mid '70s as the second from top for their HiFi range (the SL1000/SP10 was the top of the range) when measurements trumped everything.
It has a less torquey motor than the SL1000.
Having said that I saw people doing handstands on the platter while running and it did turn them at a very steady 33 1/3 or 45 rpm as they kept playing the record whilst they did that. That was at the regional heats for the Technics DJ world championships in the early '90s.
It has a less torquey motor than the SL1000.
Having said that I saw people doing handstands on the platter while running and it did turn them at a very steady 33 1/3 or 45 rpm as they kept playing the record whilst they did that. That was at the regional heats for the Technics DJ world championships in the early '90s.
John . That's a conversation I would have been having if our project had of moved forward . We had Garrard DD which I thought was dreadful , my boss thought it wonderful because it had the Garrard badge . However when doing a new turntable was mentioned I decided we would beat Technics if we did . My friend Hubert is an expert on phase locked loops so would have been asked . All I am is a pair of ears and iron will determination .
Well, a valiant German member, very active here, has been banned. I have no idea why.
Perhaps he sinned terribly against the powers that be, or something, the point is, I never saw the message which caused him to be banned.
However, knowing him for some years now, I doubt it was such to merit a ban. But that's just me.
In general, Germans tend to stay on German forums, and it's not because of any language barrier. I believe, right or wrong, that it's because it was the Germans who started adding subjective tests to objective ones way back in the early 70ies, I must say, quite some time before anyone else, along with the Italians. To them, some of the discussions here are really passe, they went through them many years ago.
But this would be best explained by our German members.
a) phase locked
b) don't know
c) the platter of the 1200 weighs 3.5kg (about 8lb) if I remember correctly, the SP10 platter was heavier still.
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