This has become a no win situation, my 38 yrs of hard work and experience is dismissed in a heartbeat by some guy in his garage "thinking outside the box" and making things up either by innocent ignorance or out and out fraud.
Scott,
First, I do not think your 38 Years of hard work and experience is dismissed per se or wholesale, or on account of who you are.
However, if someone else's experience is found in contradiction to observable fact, in the context of the specific enquiry, it is common practice among humans to disregard that which contradicts the facts as they see them.
Past that, you may remember two Bicycle repair men in their garage in Dayton, who dismissed hundreds, nay thousands of years of human experience and endless scientific treaties on the subject?
Who went against those that publicly shared their experience with the rest of the world insisting "it cannot work", "it is against the laws of nature", "it will kill humans instantly if it works"?
Who where taken as cranks, where ridiculed and publicly accused of fraud even after they had successfully demonstrated that in fact their ideas and concepts where right, correct and that all their critics where just narrow-minded spoilsports?
There are some interesting mindsets when present when the Human mind operates in "religious mode", which truth be told is the OBSERVABLE FACT in modern "science". Dismissal of anything that does not fit into ones world view as "fraud" or "heresy" is one of these. To quote one of my favourite authors of Ludibrii from a work attributed to one Hagbard Celine:
For me at least, given how much technology that we would rather not be without, has come out of garages (from practical cars, airplanes, personal computers inhabited by cranky trolls who seemed to continuously violate common sense, scientific dogma (I will not call it truth, because by and large it is not); I would be a little less quick to dismiss those who dwell in them and their creations as "Fraud" simply they seem to violate "common sense" or religious, oops, make that scientific orthodoxy.
What I find rather amusing (in the way Lt Cmdr Data finds the petty bickering most intriguing in the TNG Episode Haven) is that often those who are the most vocal in dismissing those Trolls in their garages and their creations as fraud at some time where themselves going up against conventions and conventional wisdom and also that dreary bog of sullen prejudice and muddy inertia called "common sense" and who where themselves subject of being considered cranks, garage trolls and all sorts of less than flattering epitaphs.
γνῶθι σεαυτόν (gnōthi seauton)
Ciao T
First, I do not think your 38 Years of hard work and experience is dismissed per se or wholesale, or on account of who you are.
However, if someone else's experience is found in contradiction to observable fact, in the context of the specific enquiry, it is common practice among humans to disregard that which contradicts the facts as they see them.
Past that, you may remember two Bicycle repair men in their garage in Dayton, who dismissed hundreds, nay thousands of years of human experience and endless scientific treaties on the subject?
Who went against those that publicly shared their experience with the rest of the world insisting "it cannot work", "it is against the laws of nature", "it will kill humans instantly if it works"?
Who where taken as cranks, where ridiculed and publicly accused of fraud even after they had successfully demonstrated that in fact their ideas and concepts where right, correct and that all their critics where just narrow-minded spoilsports?
There are some interesting mindsets when present when the Human mind operates in "religious mode", which truth be told is the OBSERVABLE FACT in modern "science". Dismissal of anything that does not fit into ones world view as "fraud" or "heresy" is one of these. To quote one of my favourite authors of Ludibrii from a work attributed to one Hagbard Celine:
Hagbard Celine said:
For me at least, given how much technology that we would rather not be without, has come out of garages (from practical cars, airplanes, personal computers inhabited by cranky trolls who seemed to continuously violate common sense, scientific dogma (I will not call it truth, because by and large it is not); I would be a little less quick to dismiss those who dwell in them and their creations as "Fraud" simply they seem to violate "common sense" or religious, oops, make that scientific orthodoxy.
Hagbard Celine said:
What I find rather amusing (in the way Lt Cmdr Data finds the petty bickering most intriguing in the TNG Episode Haven) is that often those who are the most vocal in dismissing those Trolls in their garages and their creations as fraud at some time where themselves going up against conventions and conventional wisdom and also that dreary bog of sullen prejudice and muddy inertia called "common sense" and who where themselves subject of being considered cranks, garage trolls and all sorts of less than flattering epitaphs.
γνῶθι σεαυτόν (gnōthi seauton)
Ciao T
Dear all here at DIYA,
I would like to share with you today a song that I grew up with andeven though I may no longer be a spring rooster, I still subscribe to the "moral" that is conveyed in it.
Puhdys live in Naumburg "Die Boote der Jugend" - YouTube
The german lyrics are here:
Die Boote der Jugend
I will make an attempt to give a rough translation (not being much of a poet or rhyme smith I must apologise upfront)....
The Boats of youth
Puhdys
They are some who have forgot,
how in boats of youth they once sat,
in which they sailed against the flood,
with sails of jeans and rock'n'roll in their blood.
Today they lie on shores of intolerance
viewing the boats from a save distance
they point in contempt with their fingers at them
proclaiming the youth to be more rotten then ever.
Just a few years ago, they where young themselves,
they took the freedom to be different.
But the same right they refuse the youth of today.
Once they where rebels against Parochialism
they exploded the standards of their time
they had ideals and many an Idol,
and their fashion they made into a symbol.
Just a few years ago as they where young themselves,
they took the freedom to be different.
But the same right they refuse the youth of today.
They no longer think at all when
they made waves in the ocean
Beached at the shoreline, Captains no more,
yet the boats of the youth continue to sea...
I would like to share with you today a song that I grew up with andeven though I may no longer be a spring rooster, I still subscribe to the "moral" that is conveyed in it.
Puhdys live in Naumburg "Die Boote der Jugend" - YouTube
The german lyrics are here:
Die Boote der Jugend
I will make an attempt to give a rough translation (not being much of a poet or rhyme smith I must apologise upfront)....
The Boats of youth
Puhdys
They are some who have forgot,
how in boats of youth they once sat,
in which they sailed against the flood,
with sails of jeans and rock'n'roll in their blood.
Today they lie on shores of intolerance
viewing the boats from a save distance
they point in contempt with their fingers at them
proclaiming the youth to be more rotten then ever.
Just a few years ago, they where young themselves,
they took the freedom to be different.
But the same right they refuse the youth of today.
Once they where rebels against Parochialism
they exploded the standards of their time
they had ideals and many an Idol,
and their fashion they made into a symbol.
Just a few years ago as they where young themselves,
they took the freedom to be different.
But the same right they refuse the youth of today.
They no longer think at all when
they made waves in the ocean
Beached at the shoreline, Captains no more,
yet the boats of the youth continue to sea...
Jack
Setton.Yachtsman extraordinaire, ex-distributor of Pioneer components and Fuji/Fujitsu parts in France, and former manufacturer of the most unusual pre-receiver ever.
(just an example of thinking outside of the box for your amusement)
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Jack
Yachtsman extraordinaire, ex-distributor of Pioneer components and Fuji/Fujitsu parts in France, and former manufacturer of the most unusual pre-receiver ever.
(just an example of thinking outside of the box for your amusement)
Too many buttons on that box.
Guys,
Let us look at this in perspective. Anyone ever have some one try to kill them? I don't just mean being in harm's way, but knowing you were a target for specific reasons.
So unless there is a reason to take it to that level we could try to keep it friendly.
Now My OPINION is that you can see someones personality not just face to face, not even just from these kinds of contacts, but even from things as arcane as how they build a product.
Now one of my young apprentices every so often when he goes out in the field and meets someone new is every so often told he is lucky to work for a guy who is so nice. So it is possible to fool people. I suggest that a few more of you might want to present that face... otherwise I might let you experience what was mentioned here first.
Let us look at this in perspective. Anyone ever have some one try to kill them? I don't just mean being in harm's way, but knowing you were a target for specific reasons.
So unless there is a reason to take it to that level we could try to keep it friendly.
Now My OPINION is that you can see someones personality not just face to face, not even just from these kinds of contacts, but even from things as arcane as how they build a product.
Now one of my young apprentices every so often when he goes out in the field and meets someone new is every so often told he is lucky to work for a guy who is so nice. So it is possible to fool people. I suggest that a few more of you might want to present that face... otherwise I might let you experience what was mentioned here first.
A little extreme, in fact the personal attacks have diminished considerably. On the cable, I think Ken's words were "So much for Lenz, so much for reactance". Well it would be hard to measure the L and C of a cable with only one of the conductors. Two plastic tubes with liquid metal will have an L, R, and C just like any other cable. You can compute the rate of fall of the magnet in the tube from the physical properties and dimensions of the tube and magnet.
BTW my wife walked into a gunfight in Texas back in the 70's.
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