There are bad recordings that are listenable and others that are not.I said more than once about how much I'm enjoying the triple concerto,or Ellington's/Hodges's side by side and many other bad recordings,old or new.Where were you when some laughed at my comments?Ah....yes......maybe you thought I was "improving" things with a cable.
You know what Markus?It is tragic for you to try to convince anyone that you are doing anything different,better,more logical,more human with your music and system,than "us".You are not.The only fifference is that "we" claim we hear cable differences while "you" claim you don't and that you are right.So stop to beg for any aproval of superiority over others.In your "profession" maybe yes,but keep it up to there.
I do not mean anything "suspect"don't worry.I just find it funny for the "objectivists" to seek proof from "subjectivists" on matters like this.
I don't know how you or others from both sides will see a success or failure for Tom,but I don't think that any one will get rid of his cables and buy more or less expensive ones
In case Tom succeeds it is you-as engineering side- who will try to find out why and how,not the subjectivists.
I only seek prove because I'm told that there is an objective difference. I'm not worrying about cables per se, but people tell me it is easy to hear differences between cables, so I say: "show me". A pretty normal reaction, no?
If Tom succeeds I surely will want to try to find out what in the cables it was that made him hear that difference. Again, is that an unexpected or strange reaction? I'm in audio engineering so if cables make an audible difference I'd like to engineer a cable that takes advantage of that to make the audio reproduction even more realistic and transparent.
If, as you say, the subjectivists are not interested in this, well, they still can take advantage of better engineered cables. For a fee, of course. ;-)
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I was offered to take a test and I was told I live too far.I did with friends a few tests and I was told they were fraud and flawed.What else can I do?
If the forum will feel better if I unsubscribe from all threads,I will do that.Just let me know.I know you have nothing to gain from me,but how do you know I am not trying to learn from you?
The difference is I have proof for "my claim" and you don't. You do nothing more than spread your beliefs.
You could tell us how your test was conducted so we can judge for ourselves. You even promised me to send that information:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/mult...ke-difference-any-input-1256.html#post2125780
I haven't said I'm not interrested to know why cable differences exist.It is just that if they are proved to exist,it is you who will go on from there not me.Hey,I'm telling you I accept I'm subjectivist,that I can't present any proof on cable differences,that you are people from whom I learn,and yet,you and others are still with a whip in your hands.Why?Where did I let you down?Will you feel content if I sell my system and buy CAT5 and a cheap AV receiver?Oh.......and a pair of approved speakers?
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/mult...ke-difference-any-input-1256.html#post2125780
Now when I search for your original statement I can't find that post - how convenient
Just one more thing: when someone tells me that he "knows" something then he or she has to present more than a subjective observation. I've seen bigfoot and therefore he exists...
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When you stop making objective claims about cable (or audiophile belief X) sound, we will stop asking for proof.
Case closed.
I don't know how you or others from both sides will see a success or failure for Tom,but I don't think that any one will get rid of his cables and buy more or less expensive ones
Will you feel content if I sell my system and buy CAT5 and a cheap AV receiver?
Case dismissed
What I said is that "I will try to translate from my Greek salad......sorry I mean Greek notes......and e-mail them to you".Now,I believe you will understand my hesitation...........sorry
When you stop making objective claims about cable (or audiophile belief X) sound, we will stop asking for proof.
Case closed.
Case dismissed
The "case" of discussing anything with you personally AJ,was both closed and dismissed a few days ago.Sorry.
This isn't a personal discussion. See the www thing at the top of your screen above DIYAudio Loudspeaker forum?
Never grow weary of playing the victim card to divert and evade eh?
No objective claims, no proof required. Got it?
No, I don't understand your hesitation. Go back a few posts from http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/mult...ke-difference-any-input-1256.html#post2125780 and re-read what you've claimed. You couldn't have possibly known how the discussion would evolve in the future. Or maybe you already knew that you had no proof.
"Knowing" something means more to me than just having made a solely subjective observation. Guess we're back to epistemology.
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And you are mentally unable to accept the valid points he is making. You don't think for one second I didn't know some of you would ignore his obvious logic and attempt to discredit the paper do you? Your logic is no better than the shortcomings you attempt to use against him. You and some of the others call yourselves "objectivists" but it is crystal clear you are anything but objective. Using irration logic to discredit anything that doesnt fully support your point of view isnt being objective.
What I claim/believe I hear is just that.Where did I say that it is a proof you have to accept?
When you stop making objective claims - that there is a physical (not just purely psychological, imaginative) reason (non-CAT5 cable and non-"cheap" AV receiver), we will stop asking for proof.
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