I think there is a difference between localizing a sound the source of which is actually overhead or at your feet, or localizing a sound that comes from two speakers. In the latter case we need to convince ourselves that something coming out of two speakers in front of us really comes from somewhere up there.
What saves us is our cunning ability to convince ourselves of anything real or imagined, even unconciously
jd
That's why I have a few reservations about "science" some times
I got the smiley panikos, so that's cool.
can you expand a bit??
You have typed too quickly my friend. That is not at all what I have typed.
Allow me to quote myself from a previous post.
I simply pointed out that the common belief that a placebo is used in all drug testing is not correct. It would be unethical (as well as law suits waiting to happen) to recruit patients for a study (a clinical trial) and give them a placebo when investigating many types of drugs. Cancer, heart problems, seizures and diabetes come quickly to mind, but there are many others.
When a placebo is used, it is the same appearance and weight as the drug being tested, unless the drug is in a non pill form, such as injectable or topical creams. The placebo contains exactly the same ingredients as the drug, except of course, the drug being tested.
It is interesting to note that the patients that are given a placebo will have the possible side effects that have been described at about the same rate as the patients that get the real drug.
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Too bad none of the side effects include actually curing the patient...
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That also happens surprisingly often.
In the latter case we need to convince ourselves that something coming out of two speakers in front of us really comes from somewhere up there.
What saves us is our cunning ability to convince ourselves of anything real or imagined, even unconciously
Careful now, you're dangerously close to implying an element of.... learning involved in listening to reproduced audio.
I believe the Blue Jeans cables I mentioned in reference to the McIntosh system are 20 or 30 bucks. To me a well matched system has nothing to do with money. It has to do with sound quality as assesed through long term listening. Shielding and quality build are IMO a starting point when looking for cables that have synergy with your system. Judging with prices [cheap OR expensive] and specs doesn't lead to the best "sounding" synergy.
Just so we are crystal, non beleivers seems to wanna hang the price thing around my neck as some sort of rebuttal but I am saying do "what sounds best" and keep an open mind if you have equipment "you" feel is worthy of experimenting with cables. Maybe that is a set of 30 dollar IC's for your headphone amp or 500 dollar IC's for your rig. I did a lot of experimenting with cables, some hand made and some mass produced and the best sounding by a substantial margin were copper and solid core. Silver and Silver plated copper sounded like crap. They were thin sounding, seriously lacking weight and impact and caused everything to sound tipped up and very un natural. The kind of sound lots of inexperienced people call neutral or detailed. I think this is because lots of Best Buy stuff is distorted and has a lack of bass definition and when they hear something brightish and they discover things in the music they didn't know about then they think thin and bright equals neutral and detailed. Details should be evident but smooth and bass needs to be well controlled and also should have detail and impact and weight.
Forget formulas and people talking as though they know how your ears work better than your ears do. They are full of **** and are not interested in helping you find the best selection of equipment "For You".
As for the copper thing, I realize an overly warm system may benefit from some sort of silver cabling, and "Sound Perfect To You".
I think Frank nailed the entire thread in post 13367.
Brooke
Sorry no smilies, I'm on my Blackberry!
Just so we are crystal, non beleivers seems to wanna hang the price thing around my neck as some sort of rebuttal but I am saying do "what sounds best" and keep an open mind if you have equipment "you" feel is worthy of experimenting with cables. Maybe that is a set of 30 dollar IC's for your headphone amp or 500 dollar IC's for your rig. I did a lot of experimenting with cables, some hand made and some mass produced and the best sounding by a substantial margin were copper and solid core. Silver and Silver plated copper sounded like crap. They were thin sounding, seriously lacking weight and impact and caused everything to sound tipped up and very un natural. The kind of sound lots of inexperienced people call neutral or detailed. I think this is because lots of Best Buy stuff is distorted and has a lack of bass definition and when they hear something brightish and they discover things in the music they didn't know about then they think thin and bright equals neutral and detailed. Details should be evident but smooth and bass needs to be well controlled and also should have detail and impact and weight.
Forget formulas and people talking as though they know how your ears work better than your ears do. They are full of **** and are not interested in helping you find the best selection of equipment "For You".
As for the copper thing, I realize an overly warm system may benefit from some sort of silver cabling, and "Sound Perfect To You".
I think Frank nailed the entire thread in post 13367.
Brooke
Sorry no smilies, I'm on my Blackberry!
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can you expand a bit??
How about a one piece speaker cable,or same cables in both speakers,at least? I'm sure you would measure differences too
drug testing, etc.
wrt testing for efficacy and adverse reactions... not alot of common sense
I particularly enjoy the "black box warning" on some of the methylphenidate products' side effects, to include "dysmenorrhea in selected populations", wherein our practice has to now counsel (by law) all patients (male or female) as to the possibility of occurance.
Another "adverse reaction" listed for threo dex-methylphenidate (ADHD drug) listed is "scabies"... go figure... makes about as much sense as this thread, eh?
wrt testing for efficacy and adverse reactions... not alot of common sense
I particularly enjoy the "black box warning" on some of the methylphenidate products' side effects, to include "dysmenorrhea in selected populations", wherein our practice has to now counsel (by law) all patients (male or female) as to the possibility of occurance.
Another "adverse reaction" listed for threo dex-methylphenidate (ADHD drug) listed is "scabies"... go figure... makes about as much sense as this thread, eh?
Because all recent research points to the fact that our subconscious controls our conscious minds, not the other way around. If ones subconscious expects one piece of gear to sound better than another it will make ones conscious mind believe exactly that. We will believe that it sounds better with complete certainty, the subconscious will even make up spurious reasons why its choice is the better one. Hence sighted test are totally useless in any subject, not just audio.
Btw most researchers into these things do not even believe in the concept of free will anymore.
I find it much easier to get the pliers out, cut the cable and splice in an extra length. If I am lucky, I have a connector laying around, if not out comes the electrical tape, twist the cables together and wrap the tape on them. ( I find green tape gives me the best sound
Hmm, a mixture on that particular speaker of light switch wire, cat five and speaker cables I also found at bunnings. It cost 50 cents/metre...I bought all they had in stock.
As I said, there is no difference in the sound.
If you do not pay attention to detail, don't expect to hear any.
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........... the subconscious will even make up spurious reasons why its choice is the better one.
Well, I have friends who do that all the time....and its very amusing to observe and talk about fore those of us who dont do it, or at least not so obviously
Some are scaringly exstreme at that
Objectivity is probably not so easy, thus not to be expected, or at least very rarely
Originally Posted by Charles Darwin View Post
........... the subconscious will even make up spurious reasons why its choice is the better one.
Well, I have friends who do that all the time....and its very amusing to observe and talk about fore those of us who dont do it, or at least not so obviously
Some are scaringly exstreme at that
Objectivity is probably not so easy, thus not to be expected, or at least very rarely
And confused 'can' with 'must'. It always amazes me people who hold such a draconian view of subconscious control don't see they couldn't function at all in the real world if it were remotely true. They conflate influence with imperative.
What I find strange in that regard is how many times my conscious mind had quite high expectations of a new idea or piece of equipment and my subconscious mind (ears
) disagreed. Although I agree that you can't use sighted tests as proof, that doesn't automatically mean they are always "totally useless".
What I find strange in that regard is how many times my conscious mind had quite high expectations of a new idea or piece of equipment and my subconscious mind (ears
Andre do you have the capability to hear soundstage, image depth, instrument placement when you listen to your system?
jd
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