I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[simon7000]

No, but I do care to know what they wanted!

jd

I can't tell you that since none of them bothered to ask about the details! The only queries I got came from folks on this thread!

I did corner one cable maker I do business with who do not make extraordinary claims and their response was pretty much "We already make the best cables we know how to make, so we did not think it would make a difference!"

 

[gedlee]

.... if customers are able to listen and make correct decisions based on that, it wouldn´t matter.

But time and time again it has been shown that they cannot. Thats the point isn't it? As much as this approach would be great, if it worked, it doesn't and never will, so why keep hoping for that which will never happen?

 

[markus76]

I will e-mail the details to you.

Thanks!

 

[gedlee]

....because the believer cannot "prove" his faith and an atheist cannot prove there is no God.............

Except that its the exact opposite! The believer can "prove" his faith, he just says so, but the athiest cannot disprove God.

 

[markus76]

Well, you can prove that living in a fish for several days is no fun

 

[Panicos K]

Except that its the exact opposite! The believer can "prove" his faith, he just says so, but the athiest cannot disprove God.

Excuse my English but did I say anything different?When I say a believer cannot prove his faith,I mean he cannot prove the existence of God in a way to convince an atheist.

 

[SY]

I don't think theological discussions are appropriate here.

 

[Panicos K]

I don't think theological discussions are appropriate here.

Sorry.May I use the word "atheist" since many here call me and others "believers"?I think it is not unfair.

 

[SY]

How about just dropping the whole subject of religion?

 

[Steve Eddy]

I don't think theological discussions are appropriate here.

You already have them.

What difference does it make if one is called "God" and the other called "cables"?

se

 

[markus76]

I don't think theological discussions are appropriate here.

That's why I don't understand the existence of this thread.

 

[Panicos K]

How about just dropping the whole subject of religion?

No problem.Can we all keep a fair balance though?

 

[markus76]

No problem.Can we all keep a fair balance though?

Like in balanced cabling? I guess that's where most of the "cable sound" comes from. When I had to go back to unbalanced cabling all this annoying hum and hiss came back.

 

[Panicos K]

By the way, why are "good sounding" cable always expensive?

In a more general tone,if what you mean that for the audiophile audio things must always be expensive,I don't think it is correct.Speaking of myself,my interconnects are expensive enough,my 12AX7's are quite expensive NOS,but my EL84's are either Sovtek or older low cost Russian Reflector.I have chosen all by listening to them in my system.My speaker cables on the other hand,are 12awg solid core mains cables,and I'm happy with them,after I have rejected much more expensive speaker cables.

 

[Panicos K]

Like in balanced cabling? I guess that's where most of the "cable sound" comes from. When I had to go back to unbalanced cabling all this annoying hum and hiss came back.

No hum and hiss from my unbalanced cables,even at full volume from my turntable,my speakers are silent.Yes,I have checked the amp,it was on

 

[doug20]

No, not one bit. I'm not going to bother hashing through all your bad arguments, ridiculous straw men and paranoid assertion I sell cables or am against DBTs. Honestly, after 20 years of that kind of emotional, irrational outburst I just can't get worked up enough to invest the time. Come back after you've actually read the thread.

When I claim a subtle preference for my inexpensive DIY solid core silver, it's an anecdote with no scientific relevance. I'm not asking for AES or IEEE acceptance, it's a simple statement of my perceptions. Far from being harmful to science, it's completely outside and irrelevant to it. You on the other hand demand acceptance of your statements as 'objective, scientific' fact - including those you invent without evidence - while discarding the most bedrock requirements of scientific process like peer reivew, based simply on the 'side' you're on. It's just not worth chasing.

Does this mean you will stop posting on the topic then ?

btw, Im not sure any cares at all about your inexpensive DIY solid core silver cables., Enjoy them and if you ever want to know the truth just do the PROPERLY CONTROLLED listening tests.

 

[markus76]

No hum and hiss from my unbalanced cables

That's great but in my experience not very common.

 

[Robh3606]

No hum and hiss from my unbalanced cables,even at full volume from my turntable,my speakers are silent.

Mine too. Thankfully no hum/noise issues in either system.

Rob

 

[gedlee]

How about just dropping the whole subject of religion?

The discussion was not about "God", but an analogy to the situation with "faith" in ones capacity to judge sound quality with their ears. Audio in that sense is a religion and this whole thread cannot be discussed with "religious" concepts.

 

[Panicos K]

The discussion was not about "God", but an analogy to the situation with "faith" in ones capacity to judge sound quality with their ears. Audio in that sense is a religion and this whole thread cannot be discussed with "religious" concepts.

How many people do you know who bought their hifi going in a store with their LCR meters and measure the system?How many times have you judged a live sound by using your LCR meter?
Aren't you listening to your system?Who's getting the satisfaction,you or your meter?Have you ever measured a system and measured well but didn't like its sound?If yes,would you force yourself to own and listen to such system?