This would have been much cheaper, although the statue of Athena is clumsy, to say the least:
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say I remember that the cost in today's dollars for each of the 46 outside columns was about $1,000,000 each. This is not unreasonable when you consider that the building of the Parthenon cost about one half of the gross yearly income of the entire city of Athens at that time. I don't see how a replica of the Parthenon could be built using the original materials for anything less that $100,000,000. This would not include the ivory-clad and gold statue of Athena Parthenos, which used the equivalent of about $30,000,000 worth of gold.
John
Parthenon (Nashville) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm going to go out on a limb and say I remember that the cost in today's dollars for each of the 46 outside columns was about $1,000,000 each. This is not unreasonable when you consider that the building of the Parthenon cost about one half of the gross yearly income of the entire city of Athens at that time. I don't see how a replica of the Parthenon could be built using the original materials for anything less that $100,000,000. This would not include the ivory-clad and gold statue of Athena Parthenos, which used the equivalent of about $30,000,000 worth of gold.
John
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Ref. Parthenon restoration
The bulk of marble forming is done with quite high technology power equipment.
The mating surfaces are sculptured with hand tools, plus the final touch (still a lot of work).
The dismantling, carriage and reassembly phases do take an awful lot of time (large masses of marble do brake if improperly loaded. A good deal of knowledge and experience is required to move a precious structure intact. “Smart”, “efficient” guys have cost a lot to the project).
Today technology exists that can precisely copy the 3D form of large structures e.g.:FARO International - Products - Laser Tracker
The files of this copied structure can be fed to a CNC forming tool (e.g.:Water-jet cutter).
This technology didn’t exist during most of the time the project was in the production phase.
Then the technology has to be proven and somehow “approved” for to be applied to such an area. (Methods of treatment and restoration of ancient monuments are being discussed and debated in specialised international forums, periodicals and societies).
MJL21193
To put it mildly: Aren’t you missing the point ?
There are cases that restoration is the only option allowed (Thanks God of Civilisation)
Best Regards
George
The bulk of marble forming is done with quite high technology power equipment.
The mating surfaces are sculptured with hand tools, plus the final touch (still a lot of work).
The dismantling, carriage and reassembly phases do take an awful lot of time (large masses of marble do brake if improperly loaded. A good deal of knowledge and experience is required to move a precious structure intact. “Smart”, “efficient” guys have cost a lot to the project).
Today technology exists that can precisely copy the 3D form of large structures e.g.:FARO International - Products - Laser Tracker
The files of this copied structure can be fed to a CNC forming tool (e.g.:Water-jet cutter).
This technology didn’t exist during most of the time the project was in the production phase.
Then the technology has to be proven and somehow “approved” for to be applied to such an area. (Methods of treatment and restoration of ancient monuments are being discussed and debated in specialised international forums, periodicals and societies).
MJL21193
To put it mildly: Aren’t you missing the point ?
There are cases that restoration is the only option allowed (Thanks God of Civilisation)
Best Regards
George
Hate to burst your bubble but half my responsibilities for the last decade rested on rebuilds of live facilities. You belabor the obvious.
The point which continues to elude you is the Parthenon, in the context of the period in which it was built, was incredible because we had no explanation for how they were able to achieve such spectacular works. This is also true of the pyramids. The knowledge was lost. Modern methods weren't up to the task of repairing it, which to state the embarrassingly obvious, is simply recreating the original stones. To believe archaeologists specializing in ancient engineering have no knowledge of modern stone working, or thought to consult the industry, is beyond hubris. These simplistic dismissals are part of why wacko theories fester. Obviously; how can our brilliance not dwarf the achievements of ancient goat herders? Likewise man could not possibly have made it to the moon, a task we would find monumental, on germanium and tin cans.
Apparently the greatest weakness of the archaeological community is not consulting diy audio forums.
jlsem, very cool. I had no idea it existed.
Hi George,
Seriously, read my posts again. It is you (and a few others too) who are completely missing MY point.
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Hello jlsem
I have visited the replica of Parthenon in Nashville –Tennessee a few years back.
The very friendly and knowledgeable people who run the excellent (I was impressed) pedagogical excibition there, are aware of the quality differencies btn the replica and the “real thing” as they said.
First and most the building is dark and dull. This can be attributed to:
The build material (concrete).White Pendelian Marble used for the original is semi transparent to light.
The replica has a roof cover. The original is now top-less and side walls-less, so all the sky light is shining through*.
Second, the temple's replica is almost at the same level with the surrounding. The original is quite higher than it’s surrounding, totally transforming it’s perspective view.
Third it is the replica statue of Athena which is really clumsy. No relation to the esthetics of the 5th B.C. statues (A miniature copy of the original statue is sculptured on a warrior’s shied found in a statue in Hepidaurus)
Forgive me for elaborating. The subject of the thread is not Parthenon as I understand.
Best Regards
George
*When it was built it had a roof and side walls(all made of white marble as well). There were some light openings which were adding to the interiors illumination. The statue of Athena was been illuminated by the sun in a fascinating way only during a certain day and time of the year –the Godness celebration day-through the door opening, so the people outside of the Temple could see the Godness emmiting a special shine (they were not generally allowed to enter the Temple).
I have visited the replica of Parthenon in Nashville –Tennessee a few years back.
The very friendly and knowledgeable people who run the excellent (I was impressed) pedagogical excibition there, are aware of the quality differencies btn the replica and the “real thing” as they said.
First and most the building is dark and dull. This can be attributed to:
The build material (concrete).White Pendelian Marble used for the original is semi transparent to light.
The replica has a roof cover. The original is now top-less and side walls-less, so all the sky light is shining through*.
Second, the temple's replica is almost at the same level with the surrounding. The original is quite higher than it’s surrounding, totally transforming it’s perspective view.
Third it is the replica statue of Athena which is really clumsy. No relation to the esthetics of the 5th B.C. statues (A miniature copy of the original statue is sculptured on a warrior’s shied found in a statue in Hepidaurus)
Forgive me for elaborating. The subject of the thread is not Parthenon as I understand.
Best Regards
George
*When it was built it had a roof and side walls(all made of white marble as well). There were some light openings which were adding to the interiors illumination. The statue of Athena was been illuminated by the sun in a fascinating way only during a certain day and time of the year –the Godness celebration day-through the door opening, so the people outside of the Temple could see the Godness emmiting a special shine (they were not generally allowed to enter the Temple).
Dear MJL21193
I was reffering specifically to your post #180 which I really think that is out of context.
I am sorry that I dissagree with you on this specific point( i.e. on the need to preserve and restore cultural monuments of any kind, origin and age).
I see them not only as reminders of the past, examples of past human spiritual and technological achievements, but as calibers for our ego as well.
Best Regards
George
Once again, go back and re-read my posts. Nowhere did I say anything like that - nowhere.
It's difficult to talk and make yourself understood to people that just don't listen.
Maybe not so much a refusal to listen, but an mis-interpretation of what's being said.
You're making sense to me John.
I can't tell you how many times Chris has said exactly that when i suggest a tweak of an existing prototype speaker.
dave
MJL21193
My apologies then.
It is not the first time that I have misunderstood people.
Best Regards
George
Just to take the stress out of the subject, do have a listen to this audio clip (it is somehow relevant to this thread, don’t be fooled by the comedy facia)
http://www.irwincorey.org/audio/ilife.asx
My apologies then.
It is not the first time that I have misunderstood people.
Best Regards
George
Just to take the stress out of the subject, do have a listen to this audio clip (it is somehow relevant to this thread, don’t be fooled by the comedy facia)
http://www.irwincorey.org/audio/ilife.asx
thanks, to 'borat' anyway, for such a thread.
Although I'm not surprised in the slightest, I will miss his conceitedramblings.
looks like he's keeppin busy, with other endeavors -
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wasn't this started with Einstein, and newspaper people,
asking him, if your so smart,
how come you don't know where you live,
or how to tie your shoes ?
I'm afraid every big problem now is approached as "how few people and what machines will do the job". We are doing our kitchen over and visited a cabinet fab where you put your order into a computer and a bunch of laser/water jet? cutters make all the pieces. Sometimes 5 sheets of plywood at once.
If you bid out a 1 meter cube of granite flat and paralllel to a single fringe you would probably find takers for enough money. After all they polished a 300" mirror to 1/4 wave in the 30's.
I live 15mins on foot from the thing I have seen it a zillion times. They just polished it patiently by numbers I guess. Each bunch of guys painstakingly like Spinoza was polishing his lenses.
Well, you did fail to mention Mesopotamia.
John
"By the rivers of Babylon we wept..."
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