Jim probably has fond memories of the day he had dinner with someone who did not ask him about Apollo (for the 10 000'th time, dammit).I watched Apollo 13 with my wife (then GF) years ago. She sat staring slack-jawed through the whole thing, didn't make a sound. When it was over she said "I had no idea... I sat next to Jim Lovell at a dinner once... I knew he was an astronaut but... I had no idea what he'd done... Couldn't think of how to start a conversation with him..."
Probably would have preferred to talk about fishing or something.
How long's Borat in the Bin for?
(Not arguing, just asking)
Looks like he's been upgraded to banned...
Couldn't find any new posts, so I'm thinking abuse of the PM system must have been his undoing.
Although I'm not surprised in the slightest, I will miss his conceited
ramblings.
Sockpuppet.
dave
So his primary account has been banned as well or just the sockpuppet?
What is a socket puppet ? primary accounts ? are you saying Borat had more than 1 DIY a/c ...?
By coincidence I was watching an old Nova program on the restoration of the Parthenon. From memory here, archaeologists struggled for 20 years explaining a building constructed with a precision modern technology couldn't duplicate. Blocks so perfectly fit that thousands of years later a hair still can't penetrate seams. It took the Greeks 8 years to construct something we couldn't repair with triple the time and cranes, laser sights and computers.
That is until one academic noticed striations on a block face that suggested an unknown form of hand tool. It proved a responding success. Any sufficiently ancient technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Im not sure the partenon is such a mystery, but the book Im talking about, whilst making some pretty out there claims, does have some interesting facts.
For example, the sphinx has water erosion, there has not been water in the environment for 10k years. Mamoths with berries in their stomachs and maps found in ephesus with antarctica around the equator. Why is it so impossible to believe that we dont kill ourselves off, a few remain to rebuild and then after several thousand years discover the statue of liberty? They too will speculate the aliens built it
Let's see...compare the layout and construction of the Parthenon to even a modest modern tall building - say 40 floors high. I don't think it's a stretch to say that modern technology could cope with the layout of such a simple structure.
As for fitting the stones together so that "a hair still can't penetrate seams", this was accomplished more by elbow grease than advanced skill - the stones were painstakingly cut by hand and "lapped" together with a slurry between to get a tight fit. Very labour intensive but labour was (or must have been) very cheap and plentiful in those days.
Modern stone cutting would make use of wire saws and diamond blades to get an even better cut at a fraction of the cost and time. If you have trouble with this concept, check out any granite countertop.
Gosh golly, is it possible academic experts in ancient engineering might be aware of those techniques? Probably.
rdf my point is that competent modern construction can layout and build such a structure, just as well if not better than the original. All it takes is money.
That documentary plays on the fact that each piece of the structure is individual but this is the hallmark of any handmade structure - each piece is fitted in place and made to match the ones below and around it.
That documentary plays on the fact that each piece of the structure is individual but this is the hallmark of any handmade structure - each piece is fitted in place and made to match the ones below and around it.
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Back to Apollo
I grew up in Huntsville, Ala. where after WWII because of it's remoteness and existing Redstone Arsenal facilities the 'acquired' German rocket-engineers 'setup shop' at NASA's newly 'Marshall Group'.
Apollo's Saturn V launch vehicle was designed under the direction of Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.
I leave one to read specs and design history of the Saturn V, see references
Saturn V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My odd notes:
As a kid, I remember the 'C1' single engine test 'burns'....pretty damn impressive; deafening, light up the sky, rumble the ground for 30 miles. Nothing smells like a big liquid-rocket test; half rocket, half scorched earth. That 'Marshall Group' loved what they were doing....their cheers heard through the woods.
The most impressive achievement of the Apollo Project by far was the 3-stage Saturn V launch vehicle, especially the 5-engine booster stage.
The Moon landings were more a matter of luck once sufficient escape velocity was achieved for what Wernher simply called 'payload' until after ApolloI where 3 died in a 100% O2 flash ( I went to Gus Grissom High School ) Blah, Blah, Blah
Its well known that with the social-political 'push' of the Cold War - Moon Race forced a rapid design/test/build/test launch cycle much to any engineer's dislike. Even von Braun candidly expressed surprise in the Mission's success. His simple statement after the first trial loop around the Moon and reinsertion to Earth orbit is quoted, "Dam__ thing worked !
After Apollo was canceled, there still existed (2) 'Full Flight Ready' Saturn V's that have until the last decade had been stored and mostly forgotten. One has now have been 'museum-ed' lying horizontally stage-separated in a beautiful glass walled building. A very impressive sight!
A Most See for Skeptics Davidson Center for Space Exploration Hunts,Ala
Ok Maybe a ' Saturn V Flight Manual'
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19750063889_1975063889.pdf
contents
etc, etc.......
I grew up in Huntsville, Ala. where after WWII because of it's remoteness and existing Redstone Arsenal facilities the 'acquired' German rocket-engineers 'setup shop' at NASA's newly 'Marshall Group'.
Apollo's Saturn V launch vehicle was designed under the direction of Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.
I leave one to read specs and design history of the Saturn V, see references
Saturn V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My odd notes:
As a kid, I remember the 'C1' single engine test 'burns'....pretty damn impressive; deafening, light up the sky, rumble the ground for 30 miles. Nothing smells like a big liquid-rocket test; half rocket, half scorched earth. That 'Marshall Group' loved what they were doing....their cheers heard through the woods.
The most impressive achievement of the Apollo Project by far was the 3-stage Saturn V launch vehicle, especially the 5-engine booster stage.
The Moon landings were more a matter of luck once sufficient escape velocity was achieved for what Wernher simply called 'payload' until after ApolloI where 3 died in a 100% O2 flash ( I went to Gus Grissom High School ) Blah, Blah, Blah
Its well known that with the social-political 'push' of the Cold War - Moon Race forced a rapid design/test/build/test launch cycle much to any engineer's dislike. Even von Braun candidly expressed surprise in the Mission's success. His simple statement after the first trial loop around the Moon and reinsertion to Earth orbit is quoted, "Dam__ thing worked !
After Apollo was canceled, there still existed (2) 'Full Flight Ready' Saturn V's that have until the last decade had been stored and mostly forgotten. One has now have been 'museum-ed' lying horizontally stage-separated in a beautiful glass walled building. A very impressive sight!
A Most See for Skeptics Davidson Center for Space Exploration Hunts,Ala
Ok Maybe a ' Saturn V Flight Manual'
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19750063889_1975063889.pdf
contents
etc, etc.......
Attachments
dat easy , huh ?
YouTube - LIVE FOOTAGE: Fatal Bridge Collapse in Laval Canada
We are still struggling with the simple stuff ..
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Who said easy? What do YOU want to believe, that the ancient Greek were more knowledgeable than us? Or perhaps the old help from an alien civilization is more to your liking?
How many died during the construction of the Parthenon? A few I bet. How many of those stones fell while they were being hoisted into place?
112 men died during the construction of the Hoover Dam, and that happened within the last 100 years. If life was cheap 80 years ago, how cheap was it 5000 years ago?
You do know that it is believed that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by a nuclear explosion. Do i believe that past civilizations where more advanced ? I would say there is enuff evidence supporting that they were further along than one would think, not Aliens from another planet, but a disconnect from a past civilization, same as we are today.
Our current history is pretty young in the real scheme of things and what we know of the past is changing more rapidly than it ever did before, there is more to come , i would not set anything in stone ...
Our current history is pretty young in the real scheme of things and what we know of the past is changing more rapidly than it ever did before, there is more to come , i would not set anything in stone ...
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